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Reverse Engineering Ahmed Mohamed’s Clock… and Ourselves.

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I have something in common with Ahmed Mohamed: as a youngster, I was also an electronics enthusiast. At his age and even earlier, I frequently took apart electronic devices – anything from my own toys, to broken things around the house, and even that dirty garbage-picked black and white TV my parents dragged home that they knew I’d have a blast playing with (I did.) I’d try and troubleshoot, repair, or sometimes just disassemble things and salvage components for future projects. I’d try and imagine how all those bits and pieces, lengths of wires, mazes of conductive circuit board traces all came together to produce an image, or a sound, or some other useful function. I wanted to know how it all worked.

Without dating myself – fast forward a bunch of years, and I’m the same way. I’ve even picked up an engineering degree over the course of those years. I don’t have to only imagine how things work anymore, I have a pretty good understanding now. When shopping for electronic devices, my first instinct is to see if there’s a way to build one myself (and, I frequently do!) When something of mine breaks, I don’t send it back, I take it as a personal challenge to get it working again. If I fail, I still salvage useful parts – they might come in handy to fix something else later. This aspect of myself – being both methodical, and curious – hasn’t changed a bit over the years.

High resolution police photo of Ahmed's clock. Click to enlarge.

High resolution police photo of Ahmed’s clock. Click to enlarge.

So, this story about a 14 year old boy in Texas that was arrested on suspicion of creating a bomb hoax (who, apparently just wanted to show off his latest electronics project to his teachers) that has blown up (no pun intended) all over the news and social media, caught my attention immediately. Not because of his race, or his religion, the seeming absurdity of the situation, the emotionally charged photo of a young boy in a NASA t-shirt being led off in hand cuffs, the hash tags, the presidential response… no, none of that. I’m an electronics geek. I was interested in the clock! I wanted to figure out what he had come up with.

I found the highest resolution photograph of the clock I could. Instantly, I was disappointed. Somewhere in all of this – there has indeed been a hoax. Ahmed Mohamed didn’t invent his own alarm clock. He didn’t even build a clock. Now, before I go on and get accused of attacking a 14 year old kid who’s already been through enough, let me explain my purpose. I don’t want to just dissect the clock. I want to dissect our reaction as a society to the situation. Part of that is the knee-jerk responses we’re all so quick to make without facts. So, before you scroll down and leave me angry comments, please continue to the end (or not – prove my point, and miss the point, entirely!)

For starters, one glance at the printed circuit board in the photo, and I knew we were looking at mid-to-late 1970s vintage electronics. Surely you’ve seen a modern circuit board, with metallic traces leading all over to the various components like an electronic spider’s web. You’ll notice right away the highly accurate spacing, straightness of the lines, consistency of the patterns. That’s because we design things on computers nowadays, and computers assist in routing these lines. Take a look at the board in Ahmed’s clock. It almost looks hand-drawn, right? That’s because it probably was. Computer aided design was in its infancy in the 70s. This is how simple, low cost items (like an alarm clock) were designed. Today, even a budding beginner is going to get some computer aided assistance – in fact they’ll probably start there, learning by simulating designs before building them. You can even simulate or lay out a board with free apps on your phone or tablet. A modern hobbyist usually wouldn’t be bothered with the outdated design techniques. There’s also silk screening on the board. An “M” logo, “C-94” (probably, a part number – C might even stand for “clock”), and what looks like an American flag. More about that in a minute. Point for now being, a hobbyist wouldn’t silk screen logos and part numbers on their home made creation. It’s pretty safe to say already we’re looking at ’70s tech, mass produced in a factory.

So I turned to eBay, searching for vintage alarm clocks. It only took a minute to locate Ahmed’s clock. See this eBay listing, up at the time of this writing. Amhed’s clock was invented, and built, by Micronta, a Radio Shack subsidary. Catalog number 63 765.

Image property of eBay seller curiosities_curios

Image property of eBay seller curiosities_curios

The shape and design is a dead give away. The large screen. The buttons on the front laid out horizontally would have been on a separate board – a large snooze button, four control buttons, and two switches to turn the alarm on and off, and choose two brightness levels. A second board inside would have contained the actual “brains” of the unit. The clock features a 9v battery back-up, and a switch on the rear allows the owner to choose between 12 and 24 hour time. (Features like a battery back-up, and a 24 hour time selection seems awful superfluous for a hobby project, don’t you think?) Oh, and about that “M” logo on the circuit board mentioned above? Micronta.

clock5

clock6For one last bit of confirmation, I located the pencil box Ahmed used for his project. During this video interview he again claims it was his “invention” and that he “made” the device – but the important thing at the moment, at 1:13, we see him showing the pencil box on his computer screen. Here it is on Amazon, where it’s clearly labeled as being 8.25 inches wide. Our eBay seller also conveniently took a photo of the clock next to a ruler to show it’s scale – about 8 inches wide. The dimensions all line up perfectly.

So there you have it folks, Ahmed Mohamed did not invent, nor build a clock. He took apart an existing clock, and transplanted the guts into a pencil box, and claimed it was his own creation. It all seems really fishy to me.

If we accept the story about “inventing” an alarm clock is made up, as I think I’ve made a pretty good case for, it’s fair to wonder what other parts of the story might be made up, not reported factually by the media, or at least, exaggerated.

I refer back again to this YouTube video interview with Ahmed. He explains that he closed up the box with a piece of cord because he didn’t want it to look suspicious. I’m curious, why would “looking suspicious” have even crossed his mind before this whole event unfolded, if he was truly showing off a hobby project, something so innocuous as an alarm clock. Why did he choose a pencil box, one that looks like a miniature briefcase no less, as an enclosure for a clock? It’s awful hard to see the clock with the case closed. On the other hand, with the case open, it’s awful dangerous to have an exposed power transformer sitting near the snooze button (unless, perhaps his invention was to stop serial-snooze-button pressers by giving them a dangerous electrical shock!)

So again, I’m pointing all this out – about the specifics of the clock – not to pick on the poor kid. I’m picking on us, our culture, and our media. I don’t even care about the clock itself at this point.

If we stop and think – was it really such a ridiculous reaction from the teacher and the police in the first place? How many school shootings and incidents of violence have we had, where we hear afterwards “this could have been prevented, if only we paid more attention to the signs!” Teachers are taught to be suspicious and vigilant. Ahmed wasn’t accused of making a bomb – he was accused of making a look-alike, a hoax. And be honest with yourself, a big red digital display with a bunch of loose wires in a brief-case looking box is awful like a Hollywood-style representation of a bomb. Everyone jumped to play the race and religion cards and try and paint the teachers and police as idiots and bigots, but in my mind, they were probably acting responsibly and erring on the side of caution to protect the rest of their students, just in case. “This wouldn’t have happened if Ahmed were white,” they say. We’re supposed to be sensitive to school violence, but apparently religious and racial sensitivity trumps that. At least we have another clue about how the sensitivity and moral outrage pecking order lies.

Because, is it possible, that maybe, just maybe, this was actually a hoax bomb? A silly prank that was taken the wrong way? That the media then ran with, and everyone else got carried away? Maybe there wasn’t even any racial or religious bias on the parts of the teachers and police.

I don’t know any of these things. But I’m intellectually mature enough to admit I don’t know, and to also be OK with that. I don’t feel a need to take the first exit to conclusionville. But I do like to find facts where I can, and prefer to let them lead me to conclusions, rather than a knee jerk judgement based on a headline or sound bite.

I think the whole event – and our collective response, with everybody up to the President chiming in, says a whole lot about us. We don’t care that none of us were there and knows what happened, we jump to conclusions and assume we’re experts. We care about the story, but we don’t care about the actual facts. Headlines and click-bait are far more interesting than thinking for ourselves. We like to point out other any bit of perceived injustice or discrimination we can find – it’s practically a new national past-time. We like playing victim, and we like talking about victims – so much so we sometimes find victims where none really existed. We also like to find somebody to blame, even when there’s nobody at fault. We like to play social justice warrior on our Facebooks and Twitters, posting memes and headlines without digging in behind the sensationalism, winning bonus sensitivity points in the forms of likes and re-tweets. Once group-think kicks in, we rally around hash tags and start shouting moral outrage in a deafeningly loud national chorus. The media plays us like a fiddle, and we don’t even notice we’ve all been had.

As for me, I’m glad to apply the lessons I’ve learned as an electronics enthusiast to other aspects of life. There’s no emotion in troubleshooting a circuit, electricity doesn’t have morals. There’s just physics, and logic, and methodology. I think we could all benefit from applying a little more of that sort of thinking to these situations.

* Correction: A reader and commenter, Joe Donaldson, tracked down the clock in a Radio Shack catalog dated 1986. It’s likely that my guess of mid-to-late 70s was off by a bit, and it’s now obvious it was a model that was for sale in the mid 80s. Though it doesn’t really change the point, I want to post this correction here for accuracy sake and thank Joe for the heads up. (See the comment here, with link to the catalog page.)


  • Jester

    It looks like the rumors that Ahmed showed it to multiple teachers between 1st Period Science and 5th or 6th period English may be true.

    “Irving police released a report Tuesday that lists three MacArthur High teachers as complainants against the teen on the charge of “hoax bomb.” http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Irving-Student-Says-Hes-Falsely-Accused-of-Making-a-Hoax-Bomb-327794401.html

    It is possible the Science teacher signed on to the complaint when he found out Ahmed ignored his advice not to show the hoax bomb to anyone else.

    But that doesn’t account for the third teacher. Unless it was the principal signing on, and the principal is being classified as a teacher.

    • DrunkSpock

      Yes that’s interesting, It would be nice to know the specifics there, are they available online anywhere?

      • Jester

        I just feel fortunate to have found that little tidbit from that source I linked. I surmise those specifics will only surface once the gag order is lifted. Never.

      • acornwebworks

        There is NO “gag order”. Heck. If there were, then the Irving police could NOT have released that report, now could they?

        And just what source did you link to??? There’s NO link here, Jester.

      • Ichabod Crain

        There were many details that they could not release. Not a “gag order”, but rather, laws to protect the privacy of children.

      • Jester

        As I stated days ago, a waiver was sent to the family to sign, which would release the constrictions on the school and the police to share what they experienced. They refused to sign it.

        I consider that equivalent to a gag order. A judge did not issue it, the people of the state did by allowing the law. But a part of that Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act allowed for a simple waiver to release those bound by it. The Mohameds have refused to do so.

    • Bill S

      That is datelined, Sep 16.

  • smith

    Everyone who cares about freedom and American values needs to educated themselves on the sharia battle that is starting in USA and look at the problems that UK has been having. Sharia patrols, and stories like the one I linked below. Irving, Texas had the First sharia law being practiced in the USA and the mayor got it banned. Islamictribunal.org is the site and Ahmeds family go to the mosque that was doing it in Irving. Yale University announced it’s opening of a sharia law center. Like in the UK, it starts out as voluntary, then as you see in the UK, they get more brazen and encouraging of extremists, as the population grows more pressure and instances of trying to enforce it. As soon as story about Ahmed broke out, tons of stories on the mayor of Irving and ‘islamphobia’. Everyone better wake up they are trying to sneak sharia into the USA so by the time people start to take notice, it’s too late.

    http://www.jspacenews.com/islamic-extremists-pushing-sharia-law-london/

    • Whamadoodle

      Everybody panic! OMG there are terrorists everywhere! Hide under your bed! Arrest them all! Every last Muslim!

      • Jester

        tool.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Yeah… we’re almost to the part where the subject is steered to race, exclusively, then words are put in our mouths that “prove” we are racist and stupid.

        We’ve already been characterized as being “hysterical”, and full of rage… I’m half expecting someone to show up, agree with the thinkers, vote them up… then explode in a racist rant that is so over the top that the pro trolls can ride it and this discussion into the ground.

        People don’t understand that there are pro troll centers where people are trained and paid to disrupt discussions that come too close to hurting the narrative.

        The use of over the top mockery is yet another clue that I may have pegged the guy, right off. Straight Alinsky… Rules For Radicals.

      • Jester

        a favorite method of theirs is dismissing sources like World Net Daily using logical fallacies such as Ad hominem and Guilt by Association.

        As soon as the tool Whackanoodle pulled that one, I knew I had him pegged.

        I remember when Donald Trump made a statement about all the gansters rapists and murderers who were coming over the southern border, and immediately all the lefty tools were accusing him of characterizing all Mexican immigrants as such.

        These people are despicable and frankly they will deserve the hell they are trying to force on us.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Be of good cheer! The pendulum has crested, they will get what they deserve.

        His very first post was a familiar pattern… started out seemingly reasonable, then took a turn drunk Spock caught immediately (telling us what “we” think)… added some emotion… and then ended calling anyone who didn’t agree with his assertions raging racists.

        So predictable.

      • Ichabod Crain

        You trivialize his valid concerns without giving him any assurances there is no need for concern.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Precisely.

      • acornwebworks

        We went through this after 9/11/2001…which I think we can all agree was a horrible and horribly scary time in our lives, so being frightened was more than reasonable. But what happened after that to us? Not much of anything, actually.

        Oh, yes. We went to war with a couple of countries. And more American troops died in those wars than people were killed by terrorists on 9/11. Hmmm. (And lets not mention the innocents were were killed or injured.)

        But how many Islamic terrorists attacks have we actually had since 9/11? Well, there was Nidal Hasan who killed 19 of our troops and wounded another 30. And there was the Boston Marathon bombing, with 3 dead and injured an estimated 264 other people.

        Then there’s the Beltway sniper attacks, during which 17 people died and 10 injured.

        (As an aside, while sites like WND want to include things like a Muslim husband killing his wife in an “honor” killing as an “Islamic terrorist attack”, I don’t see how those can possibly be considered “Islamic terrorist attacks”…just domestic violence.)

        The reason I bring this up is because reality itself, our history itself since 9/11, ought to give him assurances that there is no…or at least very little…need for concern. Obviously one can’t say there is never “any” need for concern. People die violently every day. But that means they can also die in a car accident, which is FAR more common than Islamic terrorist attacks.

      • TaiFood

        @Whamadoodle
        I am interested in your viewpoint regarding gun violence and gun control advocacy.

    • ProfElwood

      Let them blare, as far as I’m concerned. The mainstream media has tried to ignore stories in the past, and it always comes back and bites them.

      In other words: relax — they’re exposing themselves on record.

    • acornwebworks

      Nope. Irving did NOT “have the First sharia law being practiced in the USA and the mayor got it banned”. Good grief. Even the Mayor herself says that’s not true!!!

      • Jester

        OH, look who has showed up, the critical nitpicker who offers nothing of substance but dismissal and distraction from the main points.

        No sources to back up your latest so called rebuttal.

        The Islamic Center in Irving was the first Sharia Tribunal KNOWN to be operating in the US, and by their own admission, if their rulings conflicted with the constitution, the Sharia ruling was to be followed.

        This was widely reported, word for word, and linked to the front page of their website.

        That is DE FACTO, PRIMA FACIE evidence of the implementation of Sharia LAW by a group of rogue Muslims. Whether you consider the tribunal to be “Voluntary” or not.

        In case you didn’t notice, the word voluntary does not appear in the Muslim lexicon when applied to other Muslims.

      • Bill S

        The Catholic church has said that their rules should be followed by Catholics. It still has no legal standing.

        They can be denied Communion or even excommunicated.

      • bcfisher

        The Catholic church has/compiles a list of its adherents and apostates?

    • Bill S

      Again, more idiocy. That document that promises religious freedom also protects you against anyone forcing their religion on you.

      • Jester

        That is not the point. It is unlawful to offer arbitration services where the ruling conflicts with constitutional law. The Islamic Center of Irving publicly claimed that the rulings of their “voluntary” Tribunal were final and superseded the US constitution. It was splashed across their website, and this was widely reported.

        Try being a Muslim woman, in America, and told that your participation in the local Islamic Tribunal is “voluntary”. See how well you are treated in your loving Islamic community when you refuse. There is a reason why the mayor stepped in to guarantee the Muslim women were not coerced to give up their rights guaranteed by the constitution, rights that snakes like you would see them fritter away.

      • Ichabod Crain

        Yet religion does end up getting forced on people in the end, just the same. The religious right are forever trying to get abortion restricted and even freely available contraception and family planning restricted and there is no end to them trying to legislate to impose their religious values on everyone else. All we need on top of that is the Muslims trying to do the same. Just look at insidious campaigns to enforce halal restrictions or force schools to shut down for .Islamic holidays, or force companies to stop the assembly line during the Muslim call to prayer.

      • Bill S

        This is off-topic. In this case I just refuse to play.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Funny… just a few posts above, you are blaming Bush for our current situation. That’s not off-topic?

        Hypocrite.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        LOL… like this administration has any regard for the Constitution!

        Your selective naivete is impressive. It’s an acquired skill.

      • Bill S

        For about the last 15 years of J. Edgar Hoover’s tenure at the FBI, they violated laws regularly. Martin Luther King is the prime example.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I don’t think Johnson, Bush, or Hoover are currently responsible for protecting the Constitution rights of anyone. And, the current administration’s record on protecting Christian’s rights is somewhat less than stellar.

      • Bill S

        Christians have no right to priority. There are no senior rights.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        No one does… that’s why selective law enforcement (unconstitutional) has always been known as tyranny.

        I’m not going to get into politics with you. I’ve seen enough cliches for one day.

      • Bill S

        Oh, and Nixon was going to be impeached if he had not resigned.

      • Bill S

        I’m an independent. I can get mad at either side.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I’m a Constitutionalist… I’m pissed at all of you.

      • Bill S

        Bush and his people lied about WMD in Iraq.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        BDS? I’m so surprised.

        Bush is gone.

      • Bill S

        Actually, only the man. That war is most likely the catalyst of most of what is currently happening in that part of the world today.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        It’s all Bushes fault. The Dems have nothing to do with Arab Spring?

        smh… Well, you finally came out.

      • Bill S

        The Dems were cowards for voting for the resolution. It was about 60 days before a National election.

      • ProfElwood

        Eisenhower looks like the root culprit, unless he was responding to a previous president’s undisclosed mistakes.

      • Bill S

        The evidence strongly suggests that Johnson and his people lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident. That led to the troop build-up in Vietnam.

      • Bill S

        Essentially the interpreter of the Constitution is the Supreme Court. That started with John Marshall. What have they missed teaching you about your country? Or weren’t you listening?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        So, it was the SCOTUS who allowed the Black Panthers to intimidate voters without penalty?

        Selective law enforcement is (unconstitutional) tyranny, and this administration is guilty of multiple counts of that.

      • fojap

        You might want to look at the website of the organization One Law For All, based in the UK. There’s a link on there to a PDF titled “Siding with the Oppressor: The Pro-Islamist Left.” Many of the people involved in that organization lean left an many of them come from Muslim backgrounds. I highly reccommend reading it. Even if is doesn’t convince you it will be a more interesting argument to you than the extreme right in the U.S.

      • Bill S

        Decades ago I took a course called “Civics.” It covered the Constitution of the US, and how we made laws and how we governed ourselves.. What happens outside of the US is irrelevant. Currently, I worry about the impact of conservative Christianity and its influence on law-making. But that too will pass.

      • fojap

        We didn’t have civic where I went to school.

      • Jester

        That is fallacious. What happens outside the US is always relevant especially when speaking of the activities of left wing Globalists in the UK, creating blueprints for their counterparts, the left wing Globalists in the US, to follow in order to implement subversive anti-Constitutional policies in the US.

        But you knew that already, Bill S. Or shall we call you Bill Shill?

      • Bill S

        Oh my goodness, the new red menace.

      • Jester

        Not new. They are the direct ideological and even familial decendnts of the same group from Brooklyn sent over to Bolshevikize Russia after WW1 along with their counterparts sent over from Germany under the guidance of their masters in London and Basel.

        Do keep up.

    • austin943

      There is no Sharia battle starting in the USA. You are a loon. Get some medication and doctor’s help.

      • Ichabod Crain

        Austin, that’s not very nice to call him names. Just offer up a rebuttal with the appropriate links, if you have one to offer. Calling people names is quite juvenile. Your are here talking to the adults now. Put on your big boy pants and man up.

      • Jester

        He won’t listen to such a reasonable suggestion. I say that because he rejected such entreaties many times already. Which is why I just flagged his comment. His comments are only valuable in that they demonstrate the intolerance hidden under the guise of righteous defense of a cause while lacking reason and substance. But 100 such comments are enough to serve of an exemplar of such a troll. He should be excommunicated from this discussion forum now IMO.

    • Ichabod Crain

      “Hopefully one day we will have Islamic Emirates which will have authority locally, security locally, and even provide welfare locally,”

      They are talking Muslim Brotherhood, like as in Hamas, like Egypt just got rid of. I suppose all the brothers fled Egypt and went to London.

  • Jester

    The Muslim American boy championed by President Barack Obama is using his new worldwide fame to accuse Texans of racism and anti-Muslim discrimination.

    “My dream is to raise consciousness against racism and discrimination,” he said at a New York press event with Turkey’s Islamist Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, according to an article in the Turkish newspaper, HurriyetDailyNews.com.

    “Davutoğlu, who is New York for the 70th United Nations General Assembly, has met with 14-year-old student Ahmed Mohamed, who was detained at school by the police in Texas when a teacher thought a clock he had made was a bomb,” the newsite said.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/26/obamas-cool-clock-muslim-boy-claims-racism-foreign-audience-un/

    • Whamadoodle

      “to accuse Texans of racism and anti-Muslim discrimination”

      … says poster Jester, who calls Islam a “death cult” and is automatically suspicious of absolutely everyone who willingly remains a Muslim, attempts to paint all such people as violent extremists, and advises that we all should share the same suspicion.

      Ah irony… thy name is right-wing bigotry.

      • Jester

        I just copied and pasted the words from the article. Nice assumption there though.

        Islam is a death cult. And I know what will eventually be asked of all in the cult. It is simple logic.

        The simple presence of a Muslim does not alarm me. Unlike retards like you, I have a sense of proportion and a person must be behaving according to a multitude of varying criteria in order for my survival instinct to perk up. We all profile in this way, only some of us are to cowardly and politically correct to admit it.

        But I definitely add points to my profile to Muslims and Blacks in certain scenarios because the probabilities are on my side.

        I have also suffered at the hands of extremely sociopathic Caucasians who would probably describe themselves as christians. So I have learned to look for subtle signs in facial expression and tone of voice, to add other contextual clues when assessing a person.

        Oh well, this lesson in forensic psychology is probably wasted on turnips like you who believe we are all one with no distinguishing characteristics EXCEPT FOR THAT CLASS OF HATED AND FEARED RIGHT WINGERS.

      • Whamadoodle

        “Unlike retards like you, I have a sense of proportion”

        LOL

      • Jester

        just like a person whose sense has been retarded by their prejudices to cherry pick a statement and portray it out of context to mean one thing while ignoring that the rest of the declaration meant something quite different.

        When you can only defeat straw men, everything looks like a straw man.

      • Bill S

        Of course, you would never do that. Say something like Twin Towers Transportation, while leaving out that it is located in Twin Towers building.

      • TaiFood

        @Bill S Where did you get your information?

        I google earthed the address listed on their tax filing.

        It looks like a Residential court or cul-du-sac

        twin towers transportation corporation – Franchise Tax …
        https://mycpa.cpa.state.tx.us/…/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?…Twin+Towers+…
        TWIN TOWERS TRANSPORTATION CORPORATION. Texas Taxpayer Number, 32055028065. Mailing Address, 2625 CASTLE ST IRVING, TX 75038-5807

      • Jester

        He is referring to the physical business complex that the Taxi company conducts its daily operations from. Does that mean if the complex was named Deep Forest business park, that he would have been required to name his taxi company “Deep Forest Transportation”?

      • Bill S

        Thank you for acknowledging that.

      • Bill S
      • TaiFood

        @Bill S

        I see where the information produces confusion and this is in the weeds quite a bit but for historical sake here is the data I found:

        one company at http://www.locdallas.com/c/Dallas+Twin+Towers+LLC+97934
        Dallas Twin Towers LLC
        8585 N Stemmons Fwy Ste 400S
        Dallas, TX 75247
        P: +1 214 631 5197

        While there is a business called Dallas Twin Towers LLC ( at 8585 N Stemmons Fwy SUITE 400S) I did NOT find that company to be linked to the specific Mohammed family (father and uncle)

        My research of the Twin Towers Transportation Corp. (2625 CASTLE ST IRVING, TX 75038-5807 a residential address) and the label is that it is on the outside of a moving truck (think U-haul type) but not the same at the above address as Dallas Twin Towers Corp.

        http://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2ihgoa/mohamed-elhassan

        and

        http://www.corporationwiki.com/research/mohamed-elhassan

        Mohamed Elhassan
        Director at Carryex Inc.

        Mohammed Elhassan
        Irving, TXOwner at Taxi Tranportation Co

        Mohamed Elhassan
        Irving, TXDirector at Sudanese Association of North Texas
        Director at Sudanese-American Association of North TexasMohamed Elhassan
        Irving, TXMohamed Elhassan
        Dallas, TXDirector at Nova Telecom Inc.Mohamed Elhassan
        Iowa City, IAPrincipal at Price Half Auto Repair ServiceElhassan Mohamed
        Irving, TXMohamed Elhassan Mohamed
        Irving, TXDirector at Sudanese-American Association of North TexasMohamed Mohamed Elhassan
        Irving, TXMohamed Elhassan Mohamad
        Irving, TXPRESIDENT at Alsufi Center Inc.

      • VolcanicSurfer

        That’s the best you can come up with after getting your @$$ handed to you as you pathetically try to accuse your superiors of being bigoted? Your side got taken for a ride by a little boy in your fervor to show how bigoted you think you aren’t. This is how you end up dead.

      • austin943

        Jester is a dope. There’s really nothing intelligent in his postings worth replying to.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Yeah, as opposed to you, who has been a constant source of unbiased information that is easily confirmed, and intelligently presented?

      • TaiFood

        @austin943:disqus re: @jester I disagree with you and point to the fact you simply avoid any discussion and run off when challenged. @Jester has proven to contribute handily to the discussion.

      • Whamadoodle

        “This is how you end up dead”

        Um, no, idiot, I’m not about to end up dead from little Ahmed who you’re pissing your panties in fear over.

        Listening to you hysterical little old ladies screaming about how every Muslim should be suspected, without any discrimination (OMG! I think that 14-year-old is gonna kill us all! Er, uh, no [changes tune] I never said he’d kill us all, I said he was a threat because of a hoax bomb. Yeah, that’s it. Forget what we said about him two days ago) is how we ended up spending a trillion bucks in occupations of two countries for over a decade, one of which had nothing to do with 9/11, with several MILLION refugees, which you idiots like Jester now say “won’t make good citizens of this country” just because they’re Muslim–and then you claim you’re not bigoted against them?

        Bullshit.

      • Jester

        So you will linger on the mistakes of the past, become yet another statistic exemplifying the self loathing American with a guilt complex, and further complicate and exacerbate the problems already faced by Americans, by shamefully advocating we spend our last drops of blood to import hundreds of thousands of people who hate America (due in large part to policies implemented by rogue anti-American US citizen politicians who lied to the people to get into office).

        If you can’t see how insane your advocacy is, then God help us all if there are enough of you in the US who want to commit suicide because you blame yourself for all the world’s ills.

        You know, there are people in many countries that America has some form of active relationship, though financial or logistical support, who wind up being bullied, marginalized, and oppressed, by their governments.

        Why don’t you advocate for a massive police action to identify and rescue all of them, importing them here to the US where they can be safe and nurtured in your embrace?

        Oh, and don’t mind that homeless US vet you need to step over every day on your way to the coffee shop. He is part of the reason the US needs to make amends to millions of people all over the middle east. As a matter of fact be sure to give him a good kick while he is down.

      • Whamadoodle

        “hundreds of thousands of people who hate America”

        This is a bigoted statement. If they “hated America,” they wouldn’t try to COME here, Einstein. You’re simply lying about the fact that your statements are bigoted, so that you won’t look bad, that’s all. But in doing so, you lie. That is bigoted.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Yeah, we’re all racists. The best reason to ignore that POTUS, Zuckerberg, MIT, MSM, etc… and you… were punked by a kid. Unless, of course, this was all staged?

        It’s become clear that a great love for America is the best reason to “fundamentally transform” it.

        Just keep beating that drum, Whacknoodle… I’m sure the noise you make impresses you.

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        Mess will the bull don’t be surprised when you get the horn!
        “Not all Moslums are terrorists but MOST terrorists are Moslums!”

        Moslums / Islam is a POLITICAL movement flying under the protective umbrella of RELIGION and demands religious protection when in FACT it is incompatible with the US Bill of Rights and her Constitution!

      • VolcanicSurfer

        Trust me, they are bigger bigots than those of us who oppose them. You are just to busy sucking the wang of diversity and the promise of Democrat votes to be aware.

      • VolcanicSurfer

        Straw man much? My sole employee at the moment is a Muslim whom I adore. I know what’s going on. Fatherless angry man-child libtards like you think the worst thing someone can be is a bigot, but you are a bigot. You would give a pass and kiss up to these people (as seen with the little “inventor” who invented a fake bomb and got lavished with praise and gifts by people so desperate to prove how much they don’t hate Muslims). You are just a loser who can’t get past these elementary school feel-good notions and instead try to make this about whether or not we should have invaded Iraq. Your mindset hasn’t changed in decades, and neither has your intellectual maturity.

      • TaiFood

        @Whamadoodle Please educate us on a more appropriate description of your type of trolling.

      • DrunkSpock

        There are also a lot of left-wing commentators here that are opposed to hoax-bombing our schools. It’s a broadly bipartisan issue. Responding to a hoax-bomb is not bigotry.

      • austin943

        Name one such “left-wing” commentator who thought Ahmed’s clock was intended to be a hoax bomb.

      • Ichabod Crain

        Like – being a xenophobe is intrinsically bad or something? Just because he’s a xenophobe doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be fearful of people from foreign cultures when there is a reason to fear them. A bit of xenophobia can be a healthy thing at times.

      • Ichabod Crain

        What’s your opinion of Islam Whamadoodle? I would be very interested to hear that. Your opinion of Islam, not your opinion of your Muslim friends.

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        Islam is a POLITICAL movement flying under the protective umbrella
        of RELIGION and demands religious protection when in FACT it is
        incompatible with the US Bill of Rights and her Constitution!

    • Ichabod Crain

      OMG – He’s gone global! Next they’ll have him addressing the UN. Another Malala Yousafzai – NOT. Gimme a break!

    • Ichabod Crain

      That was an amazing piece of journalism, where the full story is presented. Excellent!

  • Zardoz

    Just to clarify what you’re saying, is it your assertion that the components displayed in Ahmed’s project are no longer available at electronics parts stores like Frys? IOW, these components are oddly anachronistic for a clock-making project completed in 2015?

    • DrunkSpock

      Ahmed’s ‘project’ was 100% the prefabricated innards of another clock, uncased and (unaltered) put into another housing (the pencil case) that allowed a larger ‘payload area’ and conceal-ability. The specific parts used in Ahmeds clock were never available at Frys or any hobby store including RadioShack which sold the original clock. The clock is not part of a kit, never has been.

      It was always a hoax bomb and a media stunt. He didn’t invent anything.

      I believe it is also a threat, by his father, that states they can strike our schools and the first one will be in Texas. Two of his children have already threatened the same school district, the same one that has taken a staunchly anti-Sharia law stance.

      And the punishment? A sit down with a sympathetic and conciliatory President, free stuff from all the tech companies, internships and pre-approval at prestigious schools like MIT. And $15,000 cash. For hoax-bombing his English class.

      • austin943

        The police found no evidence that Ahmed intended to create a hoax bomb. Any other claim is just a looney conspiracy theory.

      • TaiFood

        @austin943 Clearly they had probable cause, which is the bar that they had to arrest Ah(clock)med. Reasonable suspicion is the bar they needed to detain him for questioning.

        The fact that his 18 year old sister was present during the only time he was handcuffed (hence the picture) conflicts with the narrative of CAIR.. I believe he was only cuffed to transport him from the school to the juvenile detention center where his parents where contacted officially.

        Side note: I find it not credible that his sister did not inform his parents of the incident real time.

      • TaiFood

        austin943 yet again you are not accurate.

        A hoax bomb’s definition includes to “(2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.”

        A school qualifies as a public safety agency.

        He crossed that line by admitting he intentionally plugged and setting the alarm to sound off in his English class. These were his own words in a video listed way down this comment stream (Al Jazeera logo’ed interview)

        TEX PENAL. CODE ANN. § 46.08 : Texas Statutes – Section 46.08: HOAX BOMBS – See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.08#sthash.QPYmIxac.dpuf

        (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to:

        (1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or

        (2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.

        (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

        Added by Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 4831, ch. 852, Sec. 3, eff. Sept. 1, 1983. Renumbered from Penal Code Sec. 46.09 by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

        – See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.08#sthash.QPYmIxac.dpuf

      • austin943

        The key word here is “knowingly”. The police found no evidence that Ahmed knowingly made a hoax bomb. It doesn’t matter whether some individual thought it was a bomb. The police knew it was not a bomb because the school was not evacuated. What matters is whether the actor knowingly intended to create a hoax bomb. And the police found no intention to create such a device.

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        This creation looks like a bomb to any thinking
        person . . . or even a casual observer.
        The police upon benefit of it’s disclosure to being a
        ‘class project’ took apropriate action under a no rules
        policy! As long as Mosloms do stoning and rapes they
        will be looked at much more closely then Tony or Joe!
        Comon sense Sir, one doesn’t put a hand on a hot stove
        or her head in a lions mouth and not expect negative results!

    • ProfElwood

      We’ve been discussing this for over a week now, so there’s a lot to cover. But yes, the clock was not the homemade invention that Ahmed and his family claim it was. It’s not the parts so much as the design and construction that give that away. The author’s point is that people were quick to jump on something that sounded outrageous, without checking to see if the story made sense. Something I would hope everyone could agree on and take to heart.

    • austin943

      Ahmed never claimed that he assembled the electronic components to make the clock. He never said that he soldered the components to the board, created the circuit board, or designed the circuit. So this entire article is bogus and based on a false premise. Ahmed said that he put together the clock from “scraps” around the house and it took him about 15 minutes. Not once has Ahmed claimed that it was harder to create the clock than the article here describes.

      • Zardoz

        He has allowed the impression that (a) he assembled the “scraps” into a cohesive unit, though. This article, however, contends that the “scraps” come from a single, pre-manufactured product, though which product is in dispute. Under the “pre-manufactured” scenario, all he would had to have would have been to (b) take the electronic guts out of the case and place them into the pencil case.

        Given the estimated 15 minute build time, scenario (b) seems more likely to me than his assembling the device from random “scraps”.

      • austin943

        The point is that Ahmed never misled people into thinking that the clock took a lot of effort to build. No concrete evidence has shown that Ahmed misled anyone regarding the construction of his project. The packaging of the clock into the case can be a construction project in itself for a young mind.

      • Zardoz

        There would have been no other legitimate reason to bring the project to school except/ to mislead people into thinking he’d accomplished something. Once he accepted their praise without demurring, any deception became a lie of omission.

      • Bill S

        What part of STEM were you participating in as a 14 year old?

      • Zardoz

        We were still learning to make fire with sticks back then. What’s your point?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        A far more useful endeavor than “inventing” “clocks”.

      • austin943

        Nobody has claimed that the clock was a grand accomplishment. Ahmed himself said that the clock was real easy to build. Yours is a straw-man argument.

      • Zardoz

        And I never wrote “grand accomplishment.” I wrote “accomplished something”. Calling it “easy to build” and then bringing it into school to show his teachers are two inconsistent behaviors.

      • austin943

        No, they are not inconsistent behaviors. Impressing his teachers could mean that he wanted to show them he was interested in electronics.

      • Zardoz

        What’s “impressive” about putting together something that was “easy to build”?

      • austin943

        Impressing his teachers could mean that he wanted to show his teachers that he had an interest in electronics. Most 14 year old kids don’t have an interest in electronics. I would be impressed by such a kid who took the initiative to create such a clock on his own.

      • ProfElwood

        My daughter tore apart an old tape recorder at 4. What a prodigy, eh?

      • Jester

        You would be impressed with a kid who came to class, turned around and pulled his pants down, claiming he just created the moon.

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        Coulda, woulda, shoulda been blown up
        by bomb squad and no evidence of a
        Radio Shack old LED clock to deal with!
        ONLY THE ISLAMAPHOBIA against the
        sweet little peace loving Moslom. Kid was
        picked on and called Osamas son and
        daddy did a “Re-do” of the similar event
        his sister tried to pull off!

      • Jester

        He also has said, numerous times on television, my name is Ahmed and I invented a clock. His handlers approve of that message.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Liar.

        He claimed he invented it. Are you telling us that Ahmed deserves all the praise and rewards he got, for being honest that he created nothing?

      • TaiFood

        @austin943:disqus your statement “Ahmed never claimed that he assembled…” shows you low information on the subject.

        Quite the opposite, Ahmed has said multiple times he used various items he happened to have to invent a clock. It is through Anthony (author of this article) and only one other engineer that his hoax was outed.

        This type of skeptism is an American trait and is to be condoned.

        If I am wrong on your intentions then please catch up on the various misstatements Ah(clock)med has said contradicting himself, yet that might be why you are confused on his statements.

        So, do you have an open mind on the subject?

        … Or are you just trolling as it appears to me.

      • Bill S

        You are bullying a 14 year old. Aren’t you proud of yourself? What expertise do you bring to this discussion? Or are you just piling on?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Bill, can you PLEASE come up with something you haven’t spewed for days?

        Have some self respect.

      • Bill S

        You’ve already run away once. You, too, should be proud of yourself for bullying a 14 year old,

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Run away?? I have to sleep sometime.

        You are claiming victory? You just told someone to bring expertise, or go away. What expertise have you brought??

        You are a coward… a shill… and here to provide nothing but intellectual packing material.

      • Bill S

        You have not read enough of the comments.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I have read nearly all of them. I am to be forgiven for missing some of yours, though, as you have brought no expertise to the discussion.

        When are you going to answer my questions? I’m guessing never…

        We’ll try baby steps… what expertise have you brought to this discussion?

      • TaiFood

        @witnesstothecarnage:disqus

        Note that you can right click on his identifer to list all of his posts (on Disqus at least)

        I do not support Bill S attack on you.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        It’s clear you have knowledge on this subject.

        I welcome attacks by Bill, he is no more an expert than Fusion (melted down in C&P personal attacks, then vanished)… or AnotherMike (claimed he might be a “soldering Superman”… and vanished when it came time to actually produce a joint).

        Bill is a fraud, and he knows it. He has yet to answer a single question of mine.

      • Bill S

        Among other things I was a military electronic specialist instructor. I am more aware of the risks to US safety than most of the people posting here.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Prove it. Would you like to take on the challenge AnotherMike ran from?

        If you are telling the truth about your creds, then why was it possible for a little kid to punk you? That fact alone would have any self respecting person ready to STFU, and listen.

        You are a fraud.

      • Bill S

        I have shown part of my knowledge though my comments, but you are so dense that it will not matter what I say. This is a useless exercise in an attempt communicate. You are filling this discussion with opinions that hardly prove much of anything except that a 14 year old may have used the wrong words.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I see… it’s because I’m so dense, that you can’t prove your credentials?

        You can’t even tell the difference between 30 yr old, corroded, machine made solder joints, and fresh hand made (by a 14 yr old) joints…. and you want to claim tech superiority?? I’m not even an EE, and I spotted that right off.

        You are beginning to sound a lot like our PhD fraud, Fusion, just before he melted down, and ran away.

        I notice you never answer a single one of my questions.

        Let’s do a “solder off’ as I described when I challenged AnotherMike. Let’s see some proof you aren’t just spewing.

      • Bill S

        That is irrelevant. I want the kid to be able to get an education in subjects of his choice and mentoring to help him find his way to his future. I do not want to alienate a smart kid because he has dark skin.

        He would never have gotten the recognition without the arrest.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Deflection. C’mon, troll…. let’s compare the soldering skills of a dense, irrelevant, novice (me), with those of a expert (you).

        You are as big a fraud as this whole “invention” thing.

        I just turned on my rework station… let’s see what happens when we put our money where our mouths are.

        Don’t you want to see what a racist solder joint looks like?

      • austin943

        Exactly. We should not be punishing kids for experimenting with electronics. (Ahmed still has a suspension on his record). I was doing the same thing when I was about his age, and I wouldn’t successful now if I had been punished for accidentally causing some commotion with one of my projects.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        LOL… the CJ begins…

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        YES . . . Hoaxs and Frauds sound like you.
        No style other then that. You slither to justify this action
        which to even the casual observe looks like a BOMB.
        Ahmed showed it around until he got the reaction he
        was shopping for! Bomb Squad was expected to Blow
        it up and leave NO EVIDENCE it was old LED Clock!

      • TaiFood

        @Bill S
        I give you the benefit of the doubt but in my opinion you are low information on this topic although it might appear you are trying to wade the center line.

        I’m holding judgment on your intentions but it is necessary at the minimum to spend the time to watch all the videos posted as some initial ones are very damning as to Ah(clock)med’s vacillating claims.

        If you watch the kid, he is “a natural” as claimed by the Dallas Fort Worth branch director of CAIR in a tweet.

        By the way I am a hardware electrical and computer engineer (B.S. EE University of California mid 80’s)

      • Bill S

        I have seen some inconsistencies. I do not believe that this was contrived. I just read all of my comments. I standby them.

      • Bill S

        I do not support the arguments that anti-defamation leagues in general demand in the US. Here anyone can make jokes or play games with someone’s head. It is a right granted to all.

      • Bill S

        At this time I believe that the pencil box and its contents is irrelevant to Ahmed’s future. The people that he is interacting with are smart enough to determine if he is the real thing. If he is, I want him to have a good life.

        Thank you for your comment. I apologize for my mis-characterization of you.

      • TaiFood

        @Bil S Thank you and cheers to you too.

        Consider this:

        What do you tell your kid who might admire Ah(clock)med?

        My overriding concern is that there are more than a few children who now see Ah(clock)med as an inspiration.

        Note I mock his name only after coming around from supporting this kid to now using this comment section as historical birdseed, of sorts, to those historians, if any, on bigotry baiting the US population.

        For example, accurately calling out the pencil box connotes an innocent elementary school collection of pencils.

        Since this was a new box (note the moisture absorbing packet still in the box and he admits he unboxed it in one of his many interviews) and considering the mode of application and as some youtubers have shown it is objectively a menacing looking device. The intentional purchase of the pencil vault for this menacing project is telling in my opinion.

        Considering the kid, I agree, know he has all the opportunity to succeed and I hope he somehow comes around to see that his dishonesty, by a reasonable view of the week long discussion, has limits. But so far, all he has been is positively reinforced for perpetuating, at the best, a prank gone viral.

      • Bill S

        If you enjoy tinkering, do it. Do not claim something as the product of your mind without explaining what your mind created. Maybe hard to get that across to a kid.

      • TaiFood

        @Bill S In general, of course, you state the proper encouragement and it is initially what I thought to express…until I looked into the issue as the picture shown in the media clearly was not a home made invention to me.

        What do you say to the kid IF and only IF it was meant maliciously as a prank? Then what do you say to all his worldwide admirers now that he is outed as a fraud?

      • Bill S

        Malicious intent has not been proven to my satisfaction. Hypothetical questions like that should be discussed in both law and ethics programs.

      • TaiFood

        Well there are three levels or “bars” that needed to be cleared in my opinion for this to move forward.

        The first, reasonable suspicion, which by any objective account was cleared, hence the police questioning.

        The second, probable cause, which was cleared by giving the officers on scene the benefit of the doubt, hence the arrest.

        The third, from a charging standpoint, beyond a reasonable doubt, which the police saw fit to pass. Most certainly a prosecution will never happen on this instance.

        Looks like the justice system in Irving Texas functions as our founder’s intended and Americans in general support, I hope.

      • Bill S

        However we process that the kid got noticed. Now I await the future. I do not accept that the arrest was necessary. The father or mother should have been called to come to the school.

      • TaiFood

        We do not know what happened. Yet the sister of majority age was present (that is who took the pictures of the kid cuffed).

        Note: I’ve read differing stories as to the picture being staged as infrequent accounting of the encounter suggest she asked for him to be re-cuffed to prove the point. Of course, this account is speculation so I hope more details will eventually be released.

        In general in the local community I support the police by default. Personally I had great law enforcement interaction until suddenly I did not. So I keep open the arrest might be heavy handed but I am biased that it was necessary in the judgment of those involved…hence my continued monitoring of this case.

      • Bill S

        I do not know that the daughter took the picture. That connection is incomplete. Perhaps in the police documents there is a statement to that fact. They are currently sealed to protect a minor.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Is there a reason why you are stuck on this facet of the case, rather than the real story that is developing… that previously well respected people and institutions have been proven gullible… perhaps intentionally so… by an astute blogger no one knew a week ago (I’m speaking figuratively, Anthony. I visited the rest of the site, but had to stop when I became very hungry… on a diet here)?

        So much effort is being expended to steer this away from that, I’m convinced that is the key point “they” (you) want squashed.

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        YES, I believe that Ahmed’s future is cemented in FRAUD
        and HOAX he’s destined to work only for his father.

      • Bill S

        Is Kip’s still there? I believe they were on Bancroft Way. I liked their cheese burgers.

      • TaiFood

        I did not attend NOT Berkeley although coincidentally I am not too far from Kip’s in Berkeley right now.. I’m trying not to post too specific info unless absolutely necessary.

        Full Disclosure UC Santa Barbara

      • Bill S

        If they still use freshly grated cheddar on their fire or charcoal grilled burgers, which they used to mound on the burger to melt before putting it in a bun, you should try it.

      • TaiFood

        @Bill S It’s now on my to do list. I love a great burger. It’s on Telegraph I’ll have many excuses to get grub there sometime. Thanks for the much appreciated review.

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        Which side were you instructing for?!

      • witnesstothecarnage

        LOL!!

        I wish I’d said that!

      • TaiFood

        I didn’t see that coming…still laughing…

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        Product of mid watch rig for RED
        at 200 feet in Attack Center glad
        you appreciated! Life is too short.

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        To call this troublemakers son out for repeating
        a similar ‘bomb like’ adventure that his sister did
        a while ago is TRUTH not bullying!

      • TaiFood

        @Bill S Is Ah(clock)med present in this discussion?

        Are you saying no discussion should happen to out frauds?

        Please note that you pull the bullying card on the wrong person.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        He pulled it on me, too… but it was warranted. If you read through my comments, you will find that I have said, many times, that I can’t wait to make the poor kid pay for being born brown.

        Worse yet, my fiance (also brown) can’t wait to back me up.

        Bill, I noticed that after starting shit with me, making claims about your qualifications, and being asked to prove any of your statements about me…. you have ceased to interact with me.

        You have never answered any of my questions.

        Do you still wonder why folks think (know) you are a troll?

      • Bill S

        I do not think that I called you a bigot. I called you a bully.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I don’t care what you call me… after calling me dense, then running away when I offered a great way to prove it… anything you say is not going to bother me a bit.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Another accusation you can’t prove.

        Let’s drop all the distractions, and get to proving who does, or doesn’t know about soldering. You have claimed credentials you have yet to back up. You have yet to even answer a single question from me.

        Wadda ya say?

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        BFD, you are but a Moslum troll.

      • TaiFood

        @witnesstothecarnage I cringed on your use of brown…fyi. Your opinion however valid in your opinion leaves the entire gist of your comment irrelevent to most if not all who read it…including me….at least up until the context that shows to me that it more likely comes from your ease of use from your cultural exposure to the usage.

        Still it is definitely cringe-worthy and I do not condone how you used it.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        The word “brown” was used to describe, by trolls, the people “we” hate so much.

        It’s use was intentional…

      • TaiFood

        @witnesstothecarnage duly noted.

        Frankly, it caught me off guard but this clarification helps somewhat

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I could easily list all the proof I’m not even close to being a racist (it’s long, and goes back over half a century), but not only are facts being ignored here… I have no desire to prove anything to these trolls aside from the fact that they aren’t fooling me one damn bit.

        There is an ongoing attempt to turn this into a discussion about race (ebbs and surges), so the entire discussion can be lumped together as “racist”, and therefore discredit the facts now buried in emotional bloviation.

        You haven’t been here long, but have begun to ID the trolls assigned to do this. Frankly, you have preempted quite a few comments from me, by simply putting it all better than I ever could. I’ve been upvoting them, but… if you don’t want to be seen with me, say so.

        I have no problem with that.

      • TaiFood

        @witnesstothecarnage No problem with you…just clarifying my cringe. Your follow up provides the relevant background.

        I’m not into the PC thing so I replied accordingly to better understand its use, keeping my mind open that it was used in context.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        You have proven to be a deliberate thinker, not easily swayed by false accusations against you…. or emotional BS.

        YOU, I am willing to clarify for. Any time.

      • Jester

        What else is Bill the Shill left with but the last refuge of a scoundrel?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Billyyyy… come out to playeeeayyy.

      • austin943

        There was no hoax perpetrated, and Ahmed’s statements are entirely consistent with the components seen in the picture of his project.

      • TaiFood

        @austin943 Please spend the time to reload comments until you view the interview where Ah(clock)med himself admits to intentionally setting the alarm during English class thereby defeating your “no hoax” statement.

      • austin943

        So now an alarm clock is actually a hoax bomb? I set my hoax bomb to go off each weekday morning at 7am so I can get to work on time. Arrest me!

      • TaiFood

        @austin943 When one deconstructs an alarm clock and fastens it in a briefcase to look like a suitcase bomb (as described by the initial science teacher in his first period class) then intentionally set the alarm to sound off during an English class then yes the information he provided points to a hoax of some sort.

        A reasonable person can objectively arrive at the conclusion you seem impossible to see for yourself (hence Troll)

        Legally per Texas Penal code section 46.08 Class A misdeamnor, this is a hoax bomb. as I have recently stated AFTER plugging it into a wall socket then and only after the alarm sounded he unplugged the deconstructed (or “re-imagined” if that is the word you need) alarm clock.

        You can agree he intentionally tried to alarm the English class, right? pun intended.

      • austin943

        Pencil case boxes are often used to enclose electronics projects. The teacher in that school didn’t know that. It’s not Ahmed’s fault that a teacher is gnorant about how electronics projects often look.

      • TaiFood

        Intrigued…Please feel free to link your other pencil box electronics projects.

      • Zardoz

        It is his responsibilty to cooperate with an investigation. Even though there’s been no release of the official record, police spokespeople have characterized Ahmed as “unresponsive” and “passive-aggressive” during the interview at the school. If he could given the same answers at the school that he eventually gave to the police while under arrest, it’s probable that the whole thing wouldn’t have escalated the way it did.

      • Zardoz

        And now I have to back away from my previous assertion. According to my own cursory search, it looks like Ahmed had no “responsibility” to cooperate with an investigation after all. But since the police eventually got the answers they needed to decide the whole thing was a prank that went to far, I remain curious about the official record. Because I still think no one has sufficient independent corroboration of the family’s story to decide that the cops did anything wrong.

        http://www.copblock.org/38811/are-you-required-to-show-id-or-answer-questions-to-police-and-other-government-agents-upon-demand-by-john-henry-hill-m-d-ph-d/

      • Jester

        Your comment assumes that Ahmed believes as you do that Pencil case boxes are often used to enclose electronic projects. How do you know that about Ahmed? How do you define “often”? Do you have a scientific study to back up your claim? If so, are you prepared to save the Ahmed’s of the world from being “hurt and was tortured and arrested and mistreated in front of his classmates” by starting a campaign to educate every teacher and police officer about the appearance of electronic projects?

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        TROLL, from same Mosque I assume.
        His sister tried the Bomb thing some months ago!
        Family didn’t defend her because she was a GIRL.

      • Jester

        It was more than some months ago. It was at least 4-5 years prior when she was attending the Middle school that Ahmed just graduated from in June. The middle school where students taunted him calling him a “bomb maker” a “terrorist”, and that “Osama bin Laden was his Uncle”. So it is not wild conjecture that Ahmed decided he may as well get his money’s worth

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        Thanks for the additional evidence that provides
        motive for family’s ongoing attack on infidels!

    • TaiFood

      @Zardoz The components listed are not available from Fry’s as pictured for the reasons stated in the article.

      Your use of the question mark confuses me as to your intent or are you being sarcastic?

      • Zardoz

        No, I was sincerely asking for clarification because the author’s conclusions all seemed to require “reading between the lines” for this non-engineer. If I wanted to refer other non-engineers to this article, I didn’t want to be in the position of mis-representing what the author was writing.

      • TaiFood

        The best 3 minute 15 second update that I recommend is to see how Bill Maher (no right winger) addresses this issue.

        Real Time with Bill Maher: Ahmed’s Clock – Sept. 25, 2015 (HBO)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVLKDtmSqUM

      • austin943

        Bill Maher is a well-known anti-religious bigot. If Ahmed was an atheist, Bill Maher would rush to his defense.

      • TaiFood

        Yes he is proclaims to be an atheist. Your point being that all atheists are anti-religious bigots?

        I am able to more clearly see your shameless splatter labeling. Trolling is another term to corral your misstatements.

        My point is by definition an atheist is anti-religious which of course is his right and a reasonably supported viewpoint that I do not share. Hence I used the link to show the bipartisan outing of a fraud.

      • austin943

        No, any dummy could see that I called Bill Maher alone an anti-religious bigot.

      • TaiFood

        on that one point you reasonably have made your first supportable statement. in that a Bigot can be defined as: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

        Are you a bigot?

      • DrunkSpock

        Careful about being such a ‘islamaphobe’, Clockmed’s sister might hunt you down with a bow and arrow. She’s such a good example of tolerance.

      • TaiFood

        @austin943 I erred in overstating the anti-religious bigot thing. My apologies.

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        Your “UP VOTERS” suggest who
        and what YOU are and REPRESENT.

      • ProfElwood

        I don’t agree with Maher on a lot of things, but I still have to ask:

        So?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        You seem to believe you know what EVERYONE is thinking, and what they’d do in a given circumstance. You also seem to believe you know what EVERYONE should think and do.

        Good little Prog pawn.

      • Zardoz

        I got a chuckle about the 15-year-old at the Google Science Fair who invented the “automated method for identifying and lensing quasars” (or some such) and the 16-year-old invented an “inexpensive test for the Ebola” virus. I wonder if either them got invited to the White House.

      • TaiFood

        @Zardoz
        exactly. I thought that too was a joke but lo and behold, the 16 year old girl’s true innovation and invention for a temperature stable Ebola test (read no refrigeration needed for a week) might rise to Nobel laureate status. I was floored that a high school student did this yet so proud of the American high school in Connecticut that fostered this genius.

      • Zardoz

        Here’s a link for the other one. I thought gags about “lensing quasars” was out of Maher’s wheelhouse:

        http://www.engineering.com/Education/EducationArticles/ArticleID/10697/IMSA-Student-Develops-Two-New-Algorithms-to-Identify-Quasars.aspx

      • TaiFood

        @Zardoz Thanks for the link…I just spent the last 20 minutes getting schooled on so many interesting topics…The high school academy in IL for one…wow. That kid was #2 in the 2013 Scripps spelling bee which probably helped him enter the competitive academy…then to top it off the guy semifinals in Google’s science fair.

        Zardoz

        NOW I have some pride restored in our education systems.

        I thought I got a great public education and I’m certain few advanced academies existed back in my day. I actually could not find anyone in my public school who knew what hexadecimal system was. The fact that it was on my calculator pushed me into computer engineering since that was the dawn of personal computers.

        After hearing so many depressing test score stories these two geniuses and their supporting institutions reminds me why I keep pushing, however slight, for examples to give to others when the media created ones, like Ah(clock)med fall so far short.

        How these two kids that Bill Maher highlighted escape the Presidential spotlight concerns me yet pushes me further to out the circumstances that propelled this prank to national hysteria.

        Notes for others to look at the two true genius work found at Google’s science fair web site for the various projects:

        https://www.googlesciencefair.com/en/

        Of the two highlighted by Mr. Maher, the astrophysics was relatively easy to understand if refraction concepts can be analogously applied to quasars.

        The fascinating and game changing innovation of the Ebola tests has applications in so many of today’s most feared blood born diseases and its early detection.

        It took me a while to understand the Ebola methodology using SPIDER SILK casings infused test strips to render reagents more temperature stable hence the anticipated increased field usage in the remote jungle villages of western Africa or wherever the next pandemic occurs, but I remember how dependent the Ebola clinics were on electricity to refrigerate the current reagents. I’m mean come on…this could sometime soon be compared to medicines’s most important field applications.

      • Zardoz

        Speaking of clocks, the Google Science Fair makes me wish I could go back in time. I’m a little older than you (I remember reading about the “phone-freaks” when that ancient Esquire article was new) so my initial fascination with computers was tempered by having to punch cards in Fortran. It’d take hours to get results back then.

        A few years later, the desktop PCs came on the market. I’ve been playing catch up ever since. But if I’d be born a generation later…

      • TaiFood

        I just googled it and the page I linked to sounded off! LOL… I thought my fire alarm went off!! LOL . 2600 hz and all. Great stuff (circa 1971).

        For others: The movie War Games shows a later Hollywood adaptation of how vulnerable the tone dialing system was back then. There was definately some truth to it though.

        As far as Fortran and punch cards, they eliminated those in the mid-80’s and I did only one assignment using them. After that we submitted code on a CRT terminal on a batch system for printouts to be run at night .

      • witnesstothecarnage

        If school vouchers were a reality, that school would end up with a 40,000 acre campus… in months.

      • DrunkSpock

        What about the 12y/o that made a robot you control with your mind? Wow.

        Ahmed is in for some steep competition when the politically correct kid gloves come off. To me, that’s the worst part of all this, is how his prank diminishes all those other kids(that he can’t hold a candle to), out there doing really smart things that have nothing to do with hoax-bombing their English class.

      • Bill S

        I saw the video and read Mark Cubans comments. Maher has the right to his opinion, but was it fully informed? Did he know the size of the pencil case?

      • Zardoz

        To his credit Maher was one of the few people in the media who were asking the right questions last week. In addition, his guest’s remark about the “fissile material” was on point — but how many teachers (or people who aren’t explosives experts, for that matter) would know what “fissile material” looked like?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I bet there were a few teachers who hadn’t forgotten Columbine, and the fact that a team of 2 brought in bombs, and set them up on site.

        There are explosives made in thin sheets, perfect for hiding under that case’s lining.

        I fully support the schools reaction, and as no one is asking (still??) if the other kid’s parents do too… I’d bet I’m not alone.

        It’s easy to talk about “over-reaction”, when your kids aren’t in the building with that “inventor”.

      • TaiFood

        @witnesstothecarnage
        I agree yet you need not go all to way back to Columbine…Garland Texas is only some 20 miles away on the other side of Dallas as I’ve read somewhere.

        How can so many collectively yawn at this prank amazes me.

        If this does not rise to the level of vigilance what does?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Nothing!

      • TaiFood

        @Zardoz I think the “fissle material” comment shows why some people have a problem with this prank. Yet for a hoax bomb there is no fissile material by definition.

        Note there are TWO definitions for hoax bomb in Texas Penal code, one the obvious but the other, as of yet untested in court but not in the bar of probable cause needed for proper arrest.

        It is the second (B) definition that applies to Ah(clock)med…”by its design causes alarm or reaction of any type…”

        PENAL CODE
        TITLE 10. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND MORALS
        CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS
        Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

        (13) “Hoax bomb” means a device that:

        (A) reasonably appears to be an explosive or incendiary device; or

        (B) by its design causes alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or a volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.

        http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm

      • Bill S

        There is a controlling condition, intent.

      • TaiFood

        Yes, indeed. But unfortunately you will need to view the interview yourself somewhere way down this comment stream some 8 days ago or so when the kid says he plugged the clock and set the alarm which he then unplugged when it sounded.

        Intent, by his own words, of a prank at a minimum.

        Note that in his first period science teacher warned him it looked like a bomb to him and to not show it to any other teacher from accounts widely available.

      • britishvoiceman

        One you thing you have neglected to mention is that Texas law requires there to be intent on the part of the person to either pass the thing off as a bomb or cause alarm for there to be any crime:

        Section 46.08: HOAX BOMBS

        (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly
        manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to:

        (1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or

        (2)
        cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety
        agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.

        The cops obviously didn’t think Ahmed had the necessary intent, otherwise they would have charged him with an offense under this section.

      • Jester

        Trolling out the same point that has been explained away a hundred times already? What a boring job you have, at least you get paid by the post.

      • britishvoiceman

        And repeating your own conspiracy theories ad nauseam doesn’t make them any more accurate than when you first posted them – but hey, I’m sure you’re well paid for all the BS you post.

      • britishvoiceman

        “Explained away”? – you referring to your completely unsubstantiated Alex Jones style conspiracy theory?

      • Jester

        The statements of the cops indicate they were and still are pretty certain of his intent. They could have held Ahmed for up to 72 hours under arrest while interrogating him, his family, and searching his home to come up with enough evidence for a prosecutor to agree to press charges.

        That would have brought the full weight of the Obama administration and the DOJ upon them for offending a poor peaceful minority baby. Oh, you weren’t aware that the DOJ has persecuted municipal police departments on whim time after time in the US when they hear one of the protected class is in danger?

        As it is, they held him for an hour, and released him without charges as he went beyond not confessing into the realm of non-cooperation bordering on belligerence. They smelled a set up, and backed off to fight another day.

        And STILL they are under massive attack, all because the school followed zero tolerance policy, and the police followed that up by the book.

        My theory that this was intentional is now supported by more substance than you Islamists and Dhimmis care to admit, but that is always the benefit of hindsight in retrospect, especially when the criminal believes they are home free and blabs on and on for weeks to the media. Those unguarded moments have been very revealing.

        Curiously, if there was nothing of substance, why would a very important person like you with important responsibilities and demands on their time, bother coming back here every day in an attempt to debunk the ravings of lunatic conspiracy theorists?

      • TaiFood

        @britishvoiceman:disqus I don’t think either of us knows why but I have made the case thoughout these comments that the intent was voiced by Ah(clock)med during an interview where he states he plugged in the alarm clock set the alarm waited for it to sound then unplugged it.

        How much more intent do you need?

        Consider that they might not have seen the video and their are the limited resources issue as well as avoiding the obvious political brouhaha.

        The kid is criminally innocent until proven guilty in a court of course.

        In the court of public opinion so far he has leveraged the main stream media to his advantage. The truth has not been their goal, but it is mine.

      • DrunkSpock

        A pin head of high explosive is more than enough to do serious damage. The AC transformer would easily hold enough to level the room. If the circuit was reworked to allow power from a subtle, small DC source, the power block would be ‘decorative’. It would easily hold enough explosive to turn the entire classroom into a walk-in blender. Without a bomb dog there is no way to tell. No casual inspection, even by trained experts, is going to confirm the absence of explosive material. Only a bomb dog could do that.

        For Reagan to refer to ‘fissile material’ is a bigger ‘mis-speak’ than calling Ahmed an ‘inventor’. I don’t think anyone was pretending it was a nuclear bomb, and even if it was, it’s not like you can open up a nuclear bomb and say ‘oh yeah, there’s the fissile material, see? right there’. Absurd. I wish someone would have called him on it immediately.

        A hoax bomb doesn’t need to have visible explosives to be a hoax-bomb.

      • TaiFood

        @DrunkSpock regarding your keen observation for “fissile” … great point. I inaccurately attributed it to explosives in general but it is nuclear by definition. THANKS for that education!

      • Zardoz

        Thank you for the extensive reply and for catching the “fissile” mis-speak. I’d glossed over it as a catch-all for “explosive” (perhaps Maher did to). But if I’m going to chide the kid for calling his device an “invention”, I really should have held Reagan to a similar standard for precise use of the language.

      • TaiFood

        @Bill S as to question 2, obviously I can’t speak for Mr. Maher personally but the scale of the clocks and the pencil vault have been posted via pictures using a ruler.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        The funniest part was Reagan repeating “it’s a clock!” over and over. Just like Ahmed.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        And Bill, and austin, and Fusion, and AnotherMike, and Wanknoodle, and…

      • britishvoiceman

        He also made the completely valid point that there was absolutely nothing to make it blow up.

      • TaiFood

        So anything that doesn’t have “fissile material” is okay with you? Come on…”completely valid point” is such a dishonest intellectual troll, in my opinion.

        To what level does alarm have to be to cause you concern? At best this prank was meant to shake up the English teacher.

      • britishvoiceman

        That’s your opinion. Obviously the cops didn’t share that opinion or they would have charged him.

      • DrunkSpock

        His subsequent interviews have produced new evidence.

      • TaiFood

        No @br@britishvoiceman:disqus the cops didn’t charge him because the bar is much higher for conviction than for arrest. They felt they dealt with the situation and are awaiting permission from his parents to disclose their side of the questioning. Of course I don’t believe the police are holding their breath awaiting the okay to out this prankster.

      • Whamadoodle

        Exactly–the ridiculous idea that we should all feel threatened and fear death, or even just that this is plausibly a “hoax bomb,” just because it contains… a printed circuit board and some wires?

        Aside from showing us as a people so afraid of our own shadows that we’ve lost all reason when it comes to Muslims, won’t that make EVERY computer science project every single student on earth ever DOES seem threatening?

      • DrunkSpock

        Why would we feel threatened by this boys stupid hoaxbomb? I feel threatened that he is rewarded for it by the president. That’s down right terrifying.

        Notice how his ‘sister’ (CAIR handler) posts photos of herself hunting down ‘Islamaphobes’ with a bow and arrow. If anyone had pictures of themselves shooting at ‘Muslim targets’, they would be a violent bigot, but apparently to you, hunting down infidels like deer is A-OK.

        Your indifference to this violent rhetoric makes it clear you will happily turn a blind eye to it forever. If you are prepared to ignore his sisters oblique threats, why wouldn’t you ignore the boys?

      • Jester

        No, only the one’s that resemble mini suitcase IED’s that permeate popular culture in Hollywood, in the top 2 most popular video games for teens that have sold 300 million copies in the US, that the creator himself deemed suspicious, and that is in possession of a Muslim boy whose sister was suspended for making a bomb threat, and whose father is a well known Islamic fundamentalist and activist, in a town rocked by a double murder honor killing and a recent jihadist attack by 2 Muslims shooting people with AK-47s at an art exhibit.

      • georgesteele

        Fissile material? Fissile material? This is what passes for informed discourse? What an idiot. Anyone care to speculate on what a pencil box with approximately those dimensions, and with a small payload of Semtex laced with ball bearings might do to a classroom full of children? Only an idiot teacher, upon seeing that phony “invention”, would not inspect it just to be safe – irrespective of whether it was a Muslim kid, or a Hillbilly kid, or a skinhead, or Beaver Cleaver who brought it in. A second grader in Maryland bites a Pop-Tart so that it looks like a gun and goes bang bang, and gets suspended – but somehow this nerdy kid can bring in a blinking electro gizmo and get a pass? Why? Because he’s Muslim? Since when do we let religion create a barricade to diligent stewardship of a classroom? Then add the family history circumstances you cite above, if true, and somehow we’re not supposed to be careful? Are we supposed to ignore dots, or connect them? As for the knee jerk by the doofus in the oval office: how typically oblivious.

      • TaiFood

        @georgesteele you are jumping in uninformed….the fissile material was from the comment by Reagan Jr. on Sept 25th HBO Bill Maher show.

      • georgesteele

        I watched the clip; that’s precisely what I was reacting to – a numbnut who wouldn’t know fissile material from a match head. Reread my comment – “this is what passes for informed discourse?” What information was he relying on – an XKCD parody?

      • TaiFood

        my bad. sorry

      • TaiFood

        Why do you jump to the “…all feel threatened…” rhetoric?

        Trolling perhaps?

      • TaiFood

        To box your trolling the definition of a bomb hoax not only includes incendiary but also one to “cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies”

        TEX PE. CODE ANN. § 46.08 : Texas Statutes – Section 46.08: HOAX BOMBS –

        (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to:

        (1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or

        (2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.

        – See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.08#sthash.Cq94xPUe.dpuf

      • britishvoiceman

        I’m well aware of the relevant law, having posted it several times on this thread myself and the relevant words are “with intent”, which clearly applies to both (1) and (2) – the police were presumably satisfied that Ahmed did not have the necessary intent, which is why they haven’t charged him.

      • TaiFood

        at 50 seconds

        “…The teacher…the clock was in fact plugged in during the class room so it didn’t go off in my backpack…”

        http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/Ali-Velshi-On-Target/2015/9/i-felt-like-a-terrorist.html

        how is this not intent to cause alarm…

      • DrunkSpock

        The only point he made is that he does not know what fissile material is and is absolutely not qualified to talk about them like an authority.

      • ProfElwood

        Heh, check out around 2:25. The interviewer called him “akmed”. Maybe the word is getting out.

      • austin943

        You are exactly correct that this article requires a lot “reading between the lines”. That’s what the author intends — to allow the readers to use their prejudices and biases to come up with the author’s desired conclusion.

      • TaiFood

        @austin943
        The author anthony does his best to disclose his intentions and biases in as much as a paragraph can do clearly anticipating trolls to bigot-bait this discussion.

        Can you at least admit there could be no body of evidence to modify your positions as it relates to these subjects?

        You do not seem to be interested in any sort of honest discussion on these important topics, in my opinion based on your replies that show to me, at least, no give or flexibility on your positions of bigot-baiting / trolling.

      • TaiFood

        Ahmed’s clock was ‘invented’ and built by Micronta, a Radio Shack subsidiary. By deduction it was narrowed down to Radio Shack Catalog number 63 756 sold sometime in the mid eighties.

        http://www.yelp.com/topic/dallas-ahmeds-invention-was-a-1986-radio-shack-clock

        An identical model listed on ebay sold for over $200 yesterday as I tried to purchase it myself but stopped bidding mid-$100’s.

      • Zardoz

        Since Ahmed’s project was just the guts of a clock, I’m unclear about how Anthony (or others) have made this deduction. Wouldn’t it take a clearer look than the photo provides at more than one part number?

      • Bill S

        I like your quotes, invented. They may have more claim to the enclosure and maybe not even that, similar to Sear’s Kenmore appliances.

      • Bill S

        There was a split screen image of a suitcase/briefcase bomb next to the pencil case without any reference to relative size. That could misinform a lot of viewers.

      • TaiFood

        @Bill S This discussion is an exercise as to a need for “feature” to list pictures and videos for quick review. Good observations. Here are the pictures. Reference Radio Shack Micronta Model 63 756

      • austin943

        Never mind what this author wrote, here’s what you need to know:

        1) Ahmed never represented the clock as being a complicated device to build. He said it was real easy to create and took about 15 minutes using scraps around the house.
        2) The police found no evidence that Ahmed knowingly created a hoax bomb. The case is closed.

      • Zardoz

        But Anthony’s larger point — the rush to judgment before all the facts are in — remains. From what I’ve read here and elsewhere, that still a lesson that few people are willing to incorporate.

      • austin943

        Yes, the rush to judge Ahmed harshly while ignoring the facts has been a consistent feature of many of the postings here.

      • Zardoz

        I hadn’t intended to bait you, but you jumped right up on the hook anyway. I was actually referring to the rush to judge the school administrators and police personnel who were only doing their jobs. The last I knew, we still don’t have a full record of their interview(s) with Ahmed because the family haven’t allowed those records to be released.

      • TaiFood

        @Zardoz Hence the continuing discussion…

      • TaiFood

        @austin943 You oversimplify that legal outcome. The police do the arresting and filing of reports and subsequent charges to be referred for prosecution. They are waiting to tell their side of the story but since this is a juvenile, apparently, fraudulent behavior is not enough to overcome the privacy waiver which the parents have not responded affirmatively.

        This is not a court of law but a court of public opinion. So no, case not closed as the picture clearly shows…pun of course intended.

      • austin943

        Actually the case is closed — the police have already said so.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Nice new avatar… trying for some “brains by association”?

        I appreciate your honesty in providing proof of your bias, visually.

      • TaiFood

        No need for you to contribute here then. Thanks for your final interaction…right?

      • Jester

        I wouldn’t bet on that. Seeing that Austin has been made fool of for many days, and yet today not only has Austin returned, but has chosen an avatar picturing Ahmed in the NASA shirt he just happened to choose to wear that Monday morning that his father drove him to school while he (in his own words) “encouraged him to “demonstrate his gift of technology”.

        Austin has a job and he plans to get paid to do it.

      • TaiFood

        @Jester
        I’m coming to realize that there is a real potential that there are professional trolls here so I’m trying to do my shift to box them.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        You seem quite well equipped to do so.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        LOL… austin, what have we already learned about summarizing the entire discussion, with your spin intact, for new readers?

  • chesler

    I big item here has been Ahmed’s misuse of the word “invented”.
    I won the 8th grade Bronx County science fair through a similar misuse of a word.
    My best friend had come up with the project idea (from a book with a name like “Science Fair projects for junior high school students”), to demonstrate that the resistance of a semi-conductor decreases, rather than increases, with increasing temperature. My father went to the old “radio row” on Canal Street and bought some components, and my friend assembled them into a Wheatstone bridge and collected the data. I designed and built and lettered a wood display case. So we show up, me looking like a stereotypical nerdy Jewish kid, down to the giant aviator glasses, him looking like a stereotypical nerdy Chinese kid, down to the sweater-vest. And he’s telling the judge all about the project. And the judge asks me “Do you know concepts like inductance and capacitance?” (Not that it had much to do with our [his] results, but somewhat related.) And I meant to say “I’ve heard of them, but those are generic, fundamental concepts, and I only learned enough to understand this project” but I misspoke and said “Yes, but those are more _basic_ concepts.” And the judge gets this notion that we had mastered college physics so long ago that we scoff at it, and we beat out the kids who put toothpicks in a potato wedge and it sprouted and grew towards the side with the sunlight.

    • MoonBeamWatcher

      chester after reading your tome . . . I’m shocked and aghaset that you
      are such a patron of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!
      Miss Spoeke, ‘misuse’ wrongly informed, illadvised and poorly counciled are
      all part in parcel to not admitting to telling a ‘misstruth’ known as lying old stick!
      Kids sister tried a similar scheme and his dad I’m sure (guessing) was the brain
      behind this FRAUD, HOAX that was expected to be blown up by the bomb squad
      resulting in NO BOMB and NO EVIDENCE it was a Radio Shack clock put in a
      pencil case = ? ? ? all done to what end ? ? ? other then the FRAUD HOAX it was!
      To make is less likely that another Muslom would be challenged?

      • TaiFood

        @MoonBeamWatcher I didn’t read that into his posting of his own science fair experience that I found charming and accurate to boot.

        Are you referring to another post?

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        1st line and I put in single quote ‘misuse’ of word “invented”
        I then proceeded to choke back my gag reflex by typing additional
        background – he does spin a great yarn and your description was
        spot on . . . but it doesn’t elevate the deliberate actions of this
        impressionable and loving son and brother! Me and brother against dad, the family against neighbor the neighbor against village and all of us against non-believers! Islam is incompatible with US Constitution!

  • MoonBeamWatcher

    The case was ‘secured’ with a cord and contents were expected to
    be scattered to the FOUR winds by the Bomb Squad! Never to be
    identified as the REPACKAGING of a Radio Shack 1970’s LED clock
    With it not being a BOMB but the attack on a sweet kid named Ahmed
    Muhamod . . . clasic case of islamaphobia! Championed by da Liberals.

  • Jester

    The grooming of America’s own Bhagdad Bomb continues, and he is a quick study.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmWrpKhn9_c

    • witnesstothecarnage

      Couldn’t stand to watch it all… but, it only took a minute to see why you (quite appropriately) posted it.

      I say keep them ALL talking until even the brain dead can see what is really happening here.

      Thanks, Jester.

    • TaiFood

      Along with @@witnesstothecarnage:disqus It was painful to watch and clearly shows he delineates constructing as in a bike, versus Inventing which he says this was not his first. His next ‘invention’ he states will be an atomic clock with temperature. I hope he turns out to be a genius but so far from what I’ve collected he is nothing but a confidence fraudster.

      To note, upon my initial bias to support the kid I can see the line of questioning but clearly no one has spent any time investigating the so called anti-Muslim claims.

      Should not they at least try to interview someone at the school?

    • witnesstothecarnage

      As POTUS can’t play this race card (already too many reasonable questions raised) he had to relegate it to a little kid. He really has no respect for The People’s intelligence (so, what’s new?).

      He is gonna have more trouble than usual scraping this one off his shoes.

  • Whamadoodle

    LOL @ the people saying that we should refuse ALL several million Muslim refugees, because they “won’t make good citizens of this country,” and that all Muslims are members of a death cult, and merit heightened suspicion at all times, and then claim they’re not bigoted.

    And as to the separate question “did he do his own work, or just dump someone else’s work into a different box?”, that is a great question–for the person who’s grading him to ask. It’s solved by giving him an F on his project if so, and a C or an A if not. No need to have
    Michelle Bachmann weigh in on it.

    Bigotry is like pathological lying: those who do it always get So Outraged when it’s pointed out that they’re indulging in it, but you’ll NEVER find a guy saying “yeah, I’m a bigot,” or that they’re a pathological liar.

    This indiscriminate hysteria targeting all Muslims with suspicion, even a 14-year-old kid working on a school project, is what got us into the Iraq debacle. Because it is a simple fact that, yes, through bigotry, a large minority of Americans are just too hysterical to differentiate between one type of Muslim and the other 1+ billion of them. And the Iraq war is part of what CAUSED all this refugee crisis, most of whom had nothing to do with either Saddam Hussein (not that he was EVER planning to attack us) or Bashar al-Assad, and cost us hundreds of billions of dollars, plus 4000+ American lives, plus hundreds of thousands of Iraqi ones, for NO reason except exactly this sort of hysteria.

    Sorry, but that’s bigotry. Put lipstick on that pig all you want, to justify it to yourselves, but we’ve seen this movie before, and it doesn’t end well.

    • TaiFood

      @Whamadoodle Your trolling is so obvious to me. On so many fronts. Just a note to say, Focker, I’m watching you. (“Meet the Parents” humor intended)

      • Whamadoodle

        If you can refute one single fact in my post, or point out (in my first paragraph) where I misquoted anything Jester said, you feel free to do so.

        Otherwise, you seem to be trotting out the word “trolling” as a magic word to shut up anyone who disagrees with you. I can see how much respect your version of America will have for freedom of political speech and the First Amendment (oh, and that amendment also has that pesky “government can’t mandate one religion over another” Establishment Clause, too). If you are too weak to debate honestly when confronted by disagreement, perhaps you should leave the forum to those who are adult enough, and honest enough, to do so. Have a great day.

        Troll.

      • DrunkSpock

        Anyone can look at your first sentence and see the glaring straw-man, since no one has made statements at all like what you’re claiming, that we should refuse all muslims etc.

        So, you are happy to use straw-man techniques to ‘make a point’. However, the only point that you are making is that you are oblivious to reality and seem to feel everyone else should be too. If your position had merit you would respond to actual statements, not made up ones.

        Then you try to deride anyone that disagrees with you as ‘a troll’? That sounds like something a troll would say to me.

      • TaiFood

        Well I’ll try better since your latest replies actually were of some substance which I noted.

        I certainly was trying to redirect trolling comments, meaning comments meant solely to inflame as opposed to contributing to the discussion.

        I was hoping to have room to improve on this subject. Goal met.

        Have a great day, back at ya.

    • Ichabod Crain

      “This indiscriminate hysteria targeting all Muslims with suspicion.”

      So tell us, which Muslims should we be suspicious of? Tell us how to determine the good from the bad? ‘Cause we know that if 10,000 immigrate into the country, some percentage of them will be Islamists or have fundamentalist leanings, others will be radicalized, and still others will ISIS jihadis. Meanwhile, yet others not currently in one of these categories will fall into one of these categories later, under pressure from the others. There will also be many who will feel quite uncomfortable living in a democracy, having never experienced such a thing. These will unconsciously work toward recreating the ambient they were accustomed to where they came from.

      • Whamadoodle

        “There will also be many who will feel quite uncomfortable living in a democracy,”

        Ah, yes there are. The “E Pluribus Unum” (out of many, one) doesn’t sit well with many. From the beginning, the very beginning, of the United States, there have ALWAYS been suspect immigrant groups–first the Germans. Should we allow them in? But they’re a threat to our Republic and our way of life! people said. Then the Irish and Italians. No Irish Need Apply! Then Asian people. We made laws against admitting too many of them into the country, because THEY were a great threat to our way of life. And Jews! Don’t forget–we turned back MANY Jews to meet their deaths (at the hands of Hitler, who did religious profiling against them too, and treated them as aliens all of whom were a potential threat). Today, we recognize that Hitler was a madman for targeting every single Jew for suspicion, even the children he arrested. (He murdered them too, of course, by the million, once he was allowed to arrest them and shunt them out of sight.)

        But your question is a good one, and deserves an answer: which should we suspect? Our criminal justice system has fairly well-worn, though never entirely settled, criteria for Probable Cause and Reasonable Suspicion. For those who are here, we should apply that.

        For those who are not yet here, we should remember the Jews we sent to their deaths, claiming “they’ll take our jobs!” or that they were enemy aliens. When it’s a refugee crisis, as it is now, we need to remember them, and do what we should have done 80 years ago, when there was still time to save more Jewish refugees: don’t slam the doors on immigration. Consider: did those Jews all turn out to be enemies to our republic? Or did the hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese refugees all turn out to be Communist saboteurs and spies? Of course not. So we were right to let them in freely, though commie-baiters like Joe McCarthy insisted years earlier that we were constantly under menace from the insidious communists.

        The Vietnamese refugees enriched us, they didn’t sabotage us. Anti-Muslim hysteria today is precisely like anti-Communist hysteria during the Vietnam War: yes, it’s a concern, but it should not lapse into unreason and prevent us from accepting hundreds of thousands of refugees during a refugee crisis. They should be let in in exactly the same way, and with just about the same procedures, as the Vietnamese immigrants were.

      • Ichabod Crain

        I’m going to think about that for awhile. Thanks for your response.
        Meanwhile, I would appreciate it if you could answer my question below – asking your opinion of Islam – as opposed to Muslims.

      • Whamadoodle

        Thanks! I missed your question below though–what was it?

      • Ichabod Crain

        I just restated it here. I was interested in your opinion of Islam

        Also, I was kinda hoping you would reply to my post above, which begins…

        “Germans, Irish and Italians, Asian people, Vietnamese , even Jews – what do these proper nouns all have in common? Can you guess?”

        …which was a reply to your post, which had “Ah, yes there are. The “E Pluribus Unum” (out of many, one) doesn’t sit well with many.” as the second line. Thanks

      • Whamadoodle

        Thanks, I saw it now–I replied there.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Would you have a problem if America took only Christians, of all races… and left the muslims to Arab countries, and the EU to take care of?

      • Ichabod Crain

        Sounds like a plan

      • witnesstothecarnage

        How good would it make ALL the countries look, if it became obvious we all care about the plight of the refugees, and wanted as little friction as possible while solving this?

      • Whamadoodle

        Yes, of COURSE I would–so would anyone who respected the Constitution of the United States of America, which forbids us privileging only one religion and making policy against other religions.

      • Jester

        It also forbids anyone becoming a citizen of the USA who holds allegiance to a foreign system of policies. Anyone who claims to follow the Koran falls into that category, regardless of sect or nation they hail from. Until one renounces the policy tenets that Muslims must adhere to according to their operating manual, their posture is repugnant to American citizenship.

      • Whamadoodle

        Jews and Christians are ordered to stone adulterers or gay people to death, I believe, but our law in the US views that as murder. Do you also require Jews and Christians to renounce those policy tenets, by the same principle? If not, why are those religions exempt from your call?

      • Ichabod Crain

        Christians are certainly NOT ordered to stone adulterers or gay people to death. I cannot speak for Jews.

        I think he’s decided to push this “equivalency” thing, which is getting so old now.

      • Whamadoodle

        Oh, they are! For sure, Christians AND Jews (both of whom follow the book of Leviticus) are ordered to do so here:

        http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-10.htm

        And Christ later said in Matthew 5:17-20 that he came not to abolish the old law, but to fulfill it, so you are still ordered to do so. Of course, many (me, for example) would argue that since Christ also prevented the adulterous woman from being stoned to death in John 8:7, he DID actually come to abolish the old laws on sexuality, and/or on being so cruel as to kill someone for breaking them. But many Christians don’t agree, and think that Old Testament laws ordering us to put people to death for such things are still in force.

        So why should the Christians who still believe in those Old Testament laws be exempt from Jester’s call that nobody who believes such things should be allowed to immigrate?

      • Ichabod Crain

        Christians are follows of Christ – by definition. Christ did not write the bible, nor is he responsible for everything written in some ancient text that proceeded him by millenia. Did you ever read Christ’s techings? If you did, you would realize how silly your comments is. Christ was a gentle, loving, humble person who would turn the other cheek rather than commit violence. And if you have a problem understanding what he said, just look for his example.

      • Whamadoodle

        That’s what I just said: _I_ believe that about Christ, sure. Same, by the way, with hundreds of millions of Muslims who never murder anyone, nor ever want to, but who still get blamed for being violent people somehow.

        However, what of the millions of Christians who do NOT believe as you and I do, that Christ was gentle and loving, but who believe that Christ still wants gay people punished, for example, or who ignore Christ’s “turn the other cheek” stuff and say “If… the other guy throws the first punch, you can stand there and reflect (gee, I definitely had some culpability in raising his anger) and indulge in enough self loathing that you don’t fight back and get your ass kicked. OR, you can defend yourself realizing you both had a part to play, and your guilty self flagelation and martyrdom will not help your dependents when you are in the hospital or dead” as Jester does? He is a Christian, I think, but he follows Old Testament law, not Christian turning of the other cheek, when seeking revenge. There are many, many millions of such Christians, just as there are many millions of Christians who believe as you and I do. What of the more violent Christians who believe as Jester does?

        Should they be refused immigration too, on the same grounds (that they’re just following part of the holy book of Christianity, which still includes the Old Testament)? If not, why not, by the same logic?

      • Ichabod Crain

        Some Christians are clearly a**holes, so are some Germans, Irish and Italians, Asian people, Vietnamese , Jews, and even Americans. But Christianity doesn’t make people a**holes. People make themselves a**holes. There is nothing in Christ’s message to justify the kind of things you have noted. Muhammad’s message, to the contrary…

        Muhammad (May He be eternally sodomized by pigs and dogs) was a 7th century warlord, and a pedophile, a rapist, a misogynist, and a murderer.

      • Whamadoodle

        So in the case of treating gay people the way they’re treated, you would agree that that is “people making themselves a**holes,” and it isn’t CHRIST making them a**holes, because Christ never said a thing about gay people, is this correct? I would agree with you.

        However, for many, treating gay people, adulterous people, and the like as being people who should be put to death is the very ESSENCE of Christianity, because for THOSE Christians, Christ doesn’t have to SAY something for them to have to follow it as Christians–rather, if it’s already elsewhere in the Bible, but Christ didn’t say NOT to follow it, then you still must follow it, however violent or (to my mind) murderous it is. Correct?

        So there is a disagreement among Christians as to whether your “only Christ’s sayings are our guide” is correct, or whether the “no, ALL the Bible must be followed as our law” is correct. And as Americans, we are not allowed to say “well only the kind we agree with are Christians.” We have to allow ALL types of Christians.

        But not if you believe what Jester said. If we live by Jester’s words, then the latter, more vengeful and violent and death-penalty-friendly type of Christian should be refused entry as immigrants, because the Constitution “forbids anyone becoming a citizen of the USA who holds allegiance to a
        foreign system of policies,” according to Jester. (For that matter, actually, holding allegiance to the GENTLER foreign system of policies that you and I ascribe to Christ, too, should prevent anyone who believes as you do from becoming a citizen, because that, too, derives from a “foreign system of policies,” that is, Christ’s teachings.)

      • Ichabod Crain

        “Christ doesn’t have to SAY something for them to have to follow it as Christians–rather, if it’s already elsewhere in the Bible, but Christ didn’t say NOT to follow it, then you still must follow it, however violent or (to my mind) murderous it is. Correct?”

        Too much of a stretch for me. I can’t reach it no matter how hard I try.

        “If we believe what Jester said, if we live by Jester’s words”, we are all in big trouble. Here I am thinking of the perpetual religious wars between Hindu & Muslim in India, or between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland… it goes on and on. If there is one thing you said that gives me pause it’s this…

        “Your ideology leads to more violence and oppression than Islam does. You start wars against them, or advocate it, or advocate arresting Muslims recklessly, even when they’ve done exactly nothing to deserve it. You don’t want to see it in yourself, but again, “learning from history” involves learning from that war 70 years ago too. Religious xenophobia IS irrational, not factual.

        The idea that all or even more than 50% of a billion people are your enemy is irrational. You won’t see it, and I understand that, but we will agree to disagree. I hope you never get the power to put your unreasoning paranoia into policy, as people did to the Jews, that other religion, 80 years ago.”

      • ProfElwood

        We’ve already seen the kind of stretching, cherry picking, and flat-out ignorance that he uses to justify his ridiculous statements. I’m thinking he’s a lost cause.

      • Ichabod Crain

        I wouldn’t write him off so quickly.

      • Whamadoodle

        Oh, _I_ believe that all right, but many millions of Christians say otherwise, because of the Matthew verse where Christ says “I came not to overthrow the old law, but to fulfill it”–for THOSE millions of Christians, they think that the violent death prescriptions in the Old Testament, for gay people, for example, are still in effect.

        So how do such Christians, or Jews (who NEVER have Leviticus overthrown at all, by ANY interpretation), escape Jester’s no-immigrants-who-hold-allegiance-to-violent-sacred-books policy? He said: “It also forbids anyone becoming a citizen of the USA who holds
        allegiance to a foreign system of policies. Anyone who claims to follow
        the Koran falls into that category, regardless of sect or nation they
        hail from. Until one renounces the policy tenets that Muslims must
        adhere to according to their operating manual, their posture is
        repugnant to American citizenship.”

        It would be better if Jester would respond, but strangely, he’s silent on this. I suppose he has no answer.

      • ProfElwood

        You might want to research what you’re saying before repeating lies. There are Levitical laws like that, but they only apply to Israel.

        But feel free to provide examples of people attempting such things in the US.

      • Whamadoodle

        Um gosh, that’s funny, because the last time I checked, exactly ZERO Christians or Jews I’ve met or heard on the radio or seen on TV has EVER said “but remember, now the Bible [or Torah] only applies in Israel! Now that we’re in America, fuck Leviticus, and fuck keeping kosher!”

        Come on, man–Are you kidding? Grasp at straws desperately much?

      • ProfElwood

        When the facts are against you, feign astonishment.
        Yes, this has been the norm for all of Christian history. You’re just a little behind the ball.

        Still waiting on those examples.

      • Jester

        The time place and circumstance are drastically different. The financial crisis the country faces is arguably built up to more threatening than the one in the 1930’s. The US has never been more divided along ideological lines since the 1850’s. And the migrants we are speaking about have proven their nature and intent over the last 2 months and it is well documented for anyone who wishes to do the research. Not to mention that they, for whatever reason, categorically dislike or even hate America, they don’t speak the language, and the expense for their transport and welfare will shock the system into cardiac arrest. And finally, they believe in a political ideology that conflicts with the US constitution, and call it their religion.

        America has 50000 vets considered HOMELESS on any given night. A 2.5 billion dollar shortfall for the V.A. 90 million citizens on food stamps. untold millions of children going to bed each night without a full belly. 20% real unemployment.

        Thus anyone who is even allowing their mind to consider importing hundreds of thousands of these people to the US, is simply out of touch with the interests of US citizens and out of touch with reality.

        Here is what is now happening to Germany.

        Germany: Migrants In, Germans Out
        The Death of Property Rights

        http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6583/germany-migrants-housing

        Dramatic appeal: Refugee Crisis in Munich is at its limits! The public safety can not be guaranteed!

        http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2961193/pg1

      • TaiFood

        @jester Wow. Now those put their crisis in perspective. Holy shit. Thank you for those posts. Can you imagine how Germany is handling the property rights thing…it’s like the Nazi era turned around on them.

        I can see a comparison or role reversal pre-WWII that all German citizens are now being mistreated just like the Jews were and have been in many areas of Europe I think.

        This has backlash all over it.

      • Jester

        And that is why Hungary closed their border. But that didn’t stop thousands of humble supplicants massed on the Serbian side from tearing the fence down and bum rushing, injuring 20 Police officers with rocks, before water cannons and pepper spray were unleashed, driving them back. It was predominantly military aged men in the crowd, but I saw video of a few women and children being treated for pepper spray in their eyes thanks to the mindless Zealots who decided Serbia did not offer the welfare they desired and insisted upon Hungary to the point where they literally invaded.

      • DrunkSpock

        You say that like Chai Vang didn’t kill six people and shoot two others over a tree stand dispute. He was a Vietnamese immigrant that came over in 1980 and shot 8 hunters over a deer hunting tree-stand. I’m sure the victim’s family would disagree with your message.

        Notable bombings conducted by ‘immigrants’:

        The Boston bombers

        9/11 terrorists

        WTC bombers from the 90’s

        The 1998 US Embassy bombings

        USS Cole

        The Bali Disco bombings

        It goes on and on. Even when they’re not occurring in America, the majority of bombings are conducted by people that call themselves immigrants. Why would someone bomb their homeland? It’s much less likely than infiltrating your enemy and bombing their soft targets after they’ve made the foolish mistake of welcoming you.

        Statistically, these (fake) ‘immigrants’ are much more likely to blow stuff up than non immigrants, in America and the world over. I’m not saying we should treat them differently, but you would have to be oblivious and blind to ignore that fact.

      • Whamadoodle

        “Even when they’re not occurring in America, the majority of bombings are conducted by people that call themselves immigrants.”

        I’ll need proof of this claim, please.

        I have never suggested that NO violent crime is ever done by any immigrants; that is silly. (Although it is noteworthy that your list that supposedly “goes on and on” peters out immediately, in the case of American terrorist bombings, after just a few examples, the Boston bombers and the Al Qaeda 9/11 and 1990s WTC bombings and highjackings. Also, of course, immigrants’ crime is generally about the same as, or lower than, native-born peoples’, in fact.)

        So, a few questions: In addition to 1) providing proof of your claim that “the majority of bombings are conducted by people that call themselves immigrants,” 2) what is your prescription for immigration, in that case? How tightly would you have restricted immigration, if given the chance? How many of America’s Vietnamese community would you have refused, exactly? Finally, 3) if you prescribe immigration controls, how would your prescription be applied to OTHER ethnic or religious groups BESIDES Muslims and Vietnamese? Would Christians be exempt from such controls? Would your own forebears be acceptable to immigrate without such controls, in unlimited numbers? Or would you prescribe NO such controls for ANY religious or ethnic group? Or would you tightly restrict immigration for EVERY religious or ethnic group, INCLUDING your own, on grounds that your own people and everyone else’s but the Native Americans (well they were immigrants here once upon a time here too, but anyway), are intrinsically more liable to violence?

      • DrunkSpock

        I’m going to need some proof that you need some proof. Maybe you’re making that up. Let’s see sources. A lot of them.

      • TaiFood

        @whamadoodle:disqus I must say this most recent post is one I can’t readily dismiss yet have you read the links from @jester regarding the immigrant invasion in Germany?

        Noted regarding your concern of anti-Muslim hysteria but considering how the invasion is going on along the eastern EU how would you address it?

        Would you force property owners to abandon unused rentals or provide for financially incentives to kick out current residents in favor of government dole for immigrants?

        What a nightmare! All that being said…

        How is this not a Muslim related issue? It certainly some sort of culture based issue isn’t it?

        Please read the links from @jester prior to replying.

      • Jester

        He is already on record in favor of forcing US property owners to give up their property for these migrating Muslim men who are willing to duke it out with the members of the nations they migrate to, but apparently unwilling to stand and fight in their own nation.

        For he advocates and would vote for my tax money go to importing masses of these Muslims, creating facilities to house them, pay for special programs to teach all of us to learn their language and practice their culture so we don’t offend them, and give them welfare until they are able to take the jobs meant for me and my younger family members, which they will get preference for since the fit the profile of an affirmative action recipient.

      • Ichabod Crain

        Germans, Irish and Italians, Asian people, Vietnamese , even Jews – what do these proper nouns all have in common? Can you guess?

        In each case, they are people who come from some specific country. They are all nationalities, and represent a eclectic mix of people of various races, religions, and political ideologies. Just like Americans, as a matter of fact.

        How are Muslims any different? The word “Muslim” does not define a nationality. It doesn’t even define a race! A Muslim is one who says there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger. A Muslim is one who submits to and obeys Allah, the teachings of the Quran and hadiths. These are the fundamental tenants of their faith.

        Especially, Muslims are not an eclectic mix of religions and political ideologies. They only have one, and that is Islam.

        Get this – being a Muslim means not putting the nation first. Islam forbids democracy. It advocates Sharia as essential part of practising their faith.

        The individual Muslim may be non-practising, in which case he just just another national like all the others you have listed, that have become Americans and contributed to the nation.

        On the other hand, to be a practising Muslim is incompatible with being an American.

        I would suggest that we not import people who self identify with an ideology that makes it impossible to integrate.

        Just seems like plain common sense to me. Would you agree?

      • austin943

        That kind of reasoning could be used to exclude Jews from becoming Americans, because some Jews advocate for and support the Jewish state. Of course, you’d be properly branded an anti-Semite for that kind of thinking.

      • Ichabod Crain

        Yes – I wouldn’t want to be branded anti-Semitic, because I am not. But so what if “some Jews advocate for and support the Jewish state”. Some Jews are actually Christians to0 – and Muslims, for that matter. Your confusion arises from, I think, the fact that we use the term “Jew” for both a person of the Judaic religion and also a person from the state of Israel. That latter are the ones I refer to in my comment above.

      • Jester

        Have you ever heard of a “non practicing” Muslim? That only works if they renounce Islam altogether. Anyone who claims to be a Muslim, is de facto practicing Islam by that association, and when push comes to shove is more likely to follow the flock, especially if the Muslims look like they are going to win a fight. Otherwise, the “PRACTICE” is to pay lip service to the host nation, fit in as well as possible, and be prepared to coordinate and wage jihad when the time is right. Many Muslims have lived and died in America without the chance to overtly subjugate a single Infidel. But they were just one more body piled up high against the wall of the castle of civilzation, giving those who come after them in the invading force a body to step on, another foot closer to getting over the wall and into the main courtyard.

      • Ichabod Crain

        “Have you ever heard of a “non practicing” Muslim?” You are right – that would be an oxymoron.

      • Whamadoodle

        I would, except that that’s simply a false statement: Muslims DO integrate, and integrate happily, all over America, by the millions, for the most part. Do you know how tiny the percentage of violent (even including ordinary violent criminality) Muslim immigrants to America is? It’s in the low single-digits–just like native-born Americans’ crime rate is.

        Therefore, in fact, the exhortations of their faith that you mention, as far as government, are–I don’t want to say as meaningless, but they have as little practical effect–as Christians’ or Jews’ exhortations to stone adulterers all to death. Have you EVER seen ANY Christian or Jew here yelling about stoning adulterers to death, just because the law in their holy books order them to? In the same way, nor have I ever encountered any Muslim, among all the many that I’ve met, who has ever voiced the slightest discomfort with submission to the law in America, with the sole exception being when they’re targeted unequally due to their religion or national origin (which, according to the Constitution, is actually an illegal way to treat them, for those who care about the Constitution and the law). 95+% of them want nothing more than to live here peacefully, and raise a family and work. They’re not here to overthrow the government, and they’re not here to do violence. Crime statistics actually bear this out.

        Also, you’re incorrect about another thing: Jewishness is NOT a nationality, not at all. Jews have come here from the Soviet Union, Poland, Greece, even Ethiopia I think–ALL sorts of nationalities. It’s a religion, just as Islam is a religion. Jews were treated just the same way 80 years ago–people said “we can’t let them immigrate,” “they’ll take our jobs,” “they’re a threat to our way of life,” “they’re all communists” (the boogeyman of THAT day). There was no basis for it but a very flimsy one, for 95+ % of the Jews of that day, or the Muslims of this one.

      • Ichabod Crain

        “Jewishness is NOT a nationality, not at all. ” So what would you call citizens of Israel? Many of us (or is it only me) use that term to mean Israeli citizens. And there you will find Christian Jews and Muslim Jews.

      • Ichabod Crain

        Are you a Muslim?

      • Whamadoodle

        No.

      • Ichabod Crain

        “Muslims DO integrate, and integrate happily, all over America, by the millions, for the most part.” I think I have to cede that point to you. However, even if that is true now, that doesn’t mean it will always be. You see the problems in France and Briton? That could be USA. I guess the number of Muslims has not reached the point than is greater than what can be effectively absorbed so far.

      • Whamadoodle

        Well essentially, for me, it amounts to throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and I find the anti-immigrant feeling to be destructive to the America I know. Even during the Cold War, when communists were the people to be feared, we welcomed many hundreds of thousands of immigrant refugees from communist countries–250,000 from Vietnam, well over 125,000 from Cuba, and many from eastern Europe, Russia, and other communist countries.

        For the most part, though they came from communist countries, they never turned out to be communist spies and saboteurs–they added greatly to our quality of life. California, in particular, benefited hugely from Vietnamese immigration.

        Though we have contention, and actual hot war, with some Muslim countries, we should treat their immigrants the same way. No one argues “oh, we should NEVER have allowed those Cuban refugees in here!” Nor should they. They didn’t turn out to be all just like Castro. They added to life here and mostly, made it a better America. My father and mother did too.

        I think I’ll leave the last word here to you–I want to thank you for a thoughtful conversation, and I want to encourage you to keep discussing things with people in the same manner. You seem like a good person. I wish you (and, for that matter, everyone else on this blog, whether I’ve agreed with them or not) a good life. Be well and have a great week.

      • Ichabod Crain

        You too!

    • witnesstothecarnage

      Whacknoodle, as I can’t be the only one who sees your insistence that this become, and remain, a discussion about race… this all makes your purpose here very clear.

      Who do you work for? As there are a lot of people and institutions that would really like the subject changed, I ask sincerely.

      • Whamadoodle

        I don’t “work for” anyone, pal. I am posting my opinion of the scapegoating of Immigrants from One Certain Religion (and I said Religion, not “race”, so what the F are you talking about?).

        Don’t lie about my posts. There are a MILLION posts from people who disagree with me on this thread, all of which focus on people of One Certain Religion, and many of which want that religion targeted for scapegoating. I was replying to them, and didn’t MENTION race in my post above. Obviously, you know that, if you can read.

      • Jester

        Well, your status as Dhimmi is all but assured as you still consider Islam to be a religion. Let’s get old school here. As in Daniel Webster circa 1828 AD.

        1. religion in its most comprehensive sense, includes a belief in the being and perfections of God, in the revelation of his will to man, in man’s obligation to obey his commands, in a state of reward and punishment, and in man’s accountableness to God; and also true godliness or piety of life, with the practice of all moral duties. It therefore comprehends theology, as a system of doctrines or principles, as well as practical piety; for the practice of moral duties without a belief in a divine lawgiver, and without reference to his will or commands, is not religion

        2. religion as distinct from theology, is godliness or real piety in practice, consisting in the performance of all known duties to God and our fellow men, in obedience to divine command, or from love to God and his law. James 1:26.

        http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/religion

        Now, no Islamic apologist has ever proven to my satisfaction that the Marauding conquering “subjugate and convert at all costs even unto death” cult started by Mohamed and continued by his family and fathers, and enshrined in the Koran, meets the definition of a religion.

        And you have slim to no chance of achieving that either.

      • Whamadoodle

        Well of course I don’t–as already established, you’re a liar who fails to apply logic when the facts don’t fit his ideology. A liar can always find a way to lie.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        This is a tech article, and you cannot seem to add anything but accusations of bigotry.

        You have repeated this theme, both directed at us as a whole, and individuals… plenty of times.

        Do you have anything to add that might enlighten anyone, or provoke fresh thought?

    • Zardoz

      That Straw Man argument of yours is stacked really high.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Got a match?

      • Jester

        Just threw one on complete with lighter fluid. See below.

    • Jester

      Of course, whacky noodle ignores the fact that bigotry is predicated upon an erroneous observation of a person. If there is a terrorist organization, and you know that a person belongs to that organization, then it is reasonable to suspect that they may be about the business of terrorism. It is not necessarily the case, as they may only be associated with the organization “under duress” and only minimally supportive of the goals of the organization, and possibly willing to turn on the organization if provided certain assurances of safety and immunity from prosecution.

      But that does not mean that each person who can be identified with that organization should not be at least suspect until proven otherwise, and the proof is a very high standard that includes rejecting the organization in full, or at least earnestly and overtly working towards that end.

      As anyone who has ever lived in a land or country since approx. 650 AD who received a visit from the Mohamedans whether or not the techniques the Islamists employed were to offer gifts and express an interest in opening negotiations for peaceful trade and mutual support, or were offered an ultimatum they could not refuse, that frightened them literally to death if they resisted and did not comply.

      This is why there are so many “Muslim” nations outside of the little Arabian backwater where their Terrorist commander in Chief was born and began his campaign of conquering and submission in the name of his Deity.

      And now that they are established nations, they have to play a long game in order to follow the exhortations of their founder and the instruction manual for conquest they call the Koran.

      Hijrah.

      Dearborn MI.

      Minneapolis MN

      Dallas TX

      Brooklyn NY

      Jersey City NJ

      As the rabid fanatic screamed out at the Jersey City NJ school board meeting the other night after the decision not to declare a day off for the entire district for a Muslim Holiday with only 6 days notice due to the strain on parents of finding shelter for 10000 children on such short notice.

      “We feel alienated from the Board of Education, we feel alienated from this system, ‘we’re no longer the minority, that’s clear from tonight. We’re going to be the majority soon….

    • austin943

      Actually, Jester pretty much admitted to being a bigot when he called Islam a “death cult”.

      • Ichabod Crain

        That was a bit overly dramatic. I would only call it that in connection with how Hamas see it. And a few others… come to think of it.

      • Whamadoodle

        He did–and when he said we shouldn’t admit hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees, because “they won’t make good citizens of this country.” Uh… not bigoted. Uh… yeah. He just has to keep braying “I’m not a bigot, though!” because he doesn’t want to look bad, that’s all. Empty words.

      • Jester

        I explained quite capably and thoroughly why they cannot and thus would not qualify as a naturalized citizen with allegiance to the US constitution in another comment, but you already know that.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Yeah, he knew that, but it doesn’t pay to admit that… when you are an agitator.

        Wanknoodle, in case you haven’t guessed, I find you to be the lowest form of life on earth.

  • Jester

    The grooming of America’s own Bhagdad Bomb continues, and he is a quick study.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmWrpKhn9_c

    • Ichabod Crain

      “This wasn’t my first invention and it won’t be my last invention.” He also invented – get this – a battery pack! He wants his “clock invention back”, with an apology.

    • austin943

      Ahmed is a well-spoken, intelligent, and humble kid!

      • Ichabod Crain

        “humble” ??? A kid who takes credit for being an inventor when we all know damn well he isn’t?

      • Jester

        well spoken? Whenever he is asked a question that he has not been coached to practice the answer to, he hesitates, stutters, and speaks using words incongruously.

        What a joke.

  • DrunkSpock

    The propagandists are working themselves silly trying to spin this into religious persecution case. I guess that’s the only way they get paid, trying to convince people this wasn’t a hoaxbomb and that the states response was inappropriate and racist. I think they chose Texas as a target because Texas has already ticked off a lot of America, they probably hope we will collectively ignore Texas while it is under attack.

    Guess again… Even though Texas ticks me off to no end, the very moment some foreign jerkwad has picked a fight with them, they have picked a fight with me and every other decent American.

    I will not turn a blind eye as their schools are attacked by jihadists, even if the President and Facebook say I should.

    • witnesstothecarnage

      Your second paragraph is all I need to see to give you all the credibility I would ever need, even if we argued endlessly about everything else, to respect you sight unseen.

      I see you as a patriot… and that’s enough for me, brother.

      I suspect I’m not alone.

    • acornwebworks

      I was wondering. What “foreign jerkwad” are you talking about? (Assuming you’re talking about a particular one which, of course, might be a faulty assumption on my part, for which I apologize in advance.)

      I ask because it certainly can’t be Ahmed’s parents, since they’ve been citizens for decades. And it can’t be the kids, since they’ve ALWAYS been American citizens.

      P.S. I don’t think this was religious persecution. And I also don’t think it was a hoaxbomb. I just think it was overreaction on the part of the principal and a few police officers. Nothing more. Has it been blown out of proportion? Of course it has…including by you and me. But, hey. That’s the American way :-)

      • DrunkSpock

        Any foreign force trying to invade the country under any pretense. Domestic jerkwads can
        settle it amongst themselves, and generally they do (without hoax-bombing English class).

      • austin943

        In many areas of the US, anyone with dark skin is considered to be a “foreigner”. This is a profoundly sorry state for America.

      • Jester

        Really, please expound upon your prejudiced bigotry for the audience. Please identify at least 2 of the “many” areas in a way that people know the place you speak of. And then prove that every soul in those “areas” considers “anyone with dark skin to be a foreigner.”

        This should be enlightening.

        LOL.

    • austin943

      There are no schools in America under attack by jihadists. I would suggest you increase your medication or change your prescription.

      • Jester

        The presence of Jihadists in multiple cities, including Austin TX is a known fact that cannot be disputed.

        To assert that attacking a school is off the table for them, is patently absurd. Every person and every institution is at risk.

      • Ichabod Crain

        I see your point too. I’ll give you a point for that.

      • DrunkSpock

        That’s absurd, they’re all potentially under attack, any reasonable person can see that. Not all warfare is fought in the trenches.

        Now there’s a district in Texas that’s *actively* under attack, by two members of the same family, so far. The sister was suspended for making bomb threats, and she posts pictures of herself threatening non-believers (‘islamaphobes’) with a a bow and arrow. She is very comfortable threatening people on the basis of religion and she was there coaxing little Ahmed the day the event happened.

        All our accounts of the situation are from him so if he was lying and he very clearly is, why wouldn’t he continue to? If they want anyone to believe what they have to say they need to release authorization to the school district to make a statement. All we’re getting now is one sided trolling.

      • Ichabod Crain

        …but are they jihadists? Austin said “There are no schools in America under attack by jihadists. ” Another point to Austin.
        …but I just took that point again when I noticed that he slandered you with a nasty remark. Oh well Austin – just leave such nasty remarks out and you’ll get more points.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I have to wonder if there are jihadists smart enough to understand the fury they will unleash on themselves if they bomb a school. Terror will be the last thing that will create.

        I have, burned in my mind, the smirk the Marathon bomber had on his face as he placed that bomb next to the happy little kid he killed.

      • acornwebworks

        Considering that most of them who do that sort of thing are suicide bombers, I don’t think they care.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        What the actual bomber’s experience is, after the fact… is irrelevant. People are willing to move on after a lone nutjob does something, but do you really think we will allow an entire (huge) organized group of savage zealots to let their tools take all the blame?? Makes as much sense as blaming a gun for being fired… oh, wait…

        I get it now…

      • DrunkSpock

        Maybe they aren’t announcing themselves as violent extremists but would they? So far we have…

        1) Religion……. (Guess which one)
        2) Bombs ………(First the verbal threat, then a simulation/dry run, and next…?)
        3) Kids…………. (Lots of them, a school full.)
        4) Violence ……(Verbal threats, hoax-bomb, menacing photos. Actual “Jihadist extremist gunmen” violence at the ‘art exhibit’ 25 miles away recently. Had to gun down two of them, as I’m sure you recall)

        If that’s not jihadist’s, it’s close enough for me to strongly object anyways. What else would you call it? They’re the ones that have dragged Islam into the discussion. Civilized society was just trying to get the kid to announce or at least explain his hoax-bomb prior to implementing it on his English class. But the families response has very deliberately attempted to drag their religion into the fight along with them. I think that is the behavior of a jihadist. The Arab/Islamic community (especially local to Irving, TX) rallied around the police and school system on this, almost instantly, and that suggests they agree.

        And while this family is trolling our media and making the president look stupid with hoaxbombs, they are suing us and trying to get Sharia law legalized in Texas. These exact same losers. So yeah, it all seems kinda ‘jihadist’ to me.

      • Jester

        Jihad in Syria lures Somalis from Minnesota

        Over the past few months, as many as 15 young Somali-American men from the Twin Cities have traveled to Syria to join radical groups trying to overthrow President Bashar Assad’s regime, according to the FBI.

        http://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/06/11/somali-americans-syria

        Ex-UT student gets 10 years in prison for aiding terrorists

        More than a year after he pleaded guilty to a charge of aiding overseas terrorists, Rahatul Ashikim Khan, a former University of Texas student, was sentenced Friday to 10 years in prison.

        Khan, 24, became the second of two young men convicted in Austin of the rare federal offense after admitting he connected an undercover agent with co-conspirators recruiting jihadi fighters to Somalia. His plea in July followed that of Michael Todd Wolfe, a Houston native, who confessed he had plans to travel to Syria to engage in jihad himself.

        http://www.statesman.com/news/news/crime-law/former-ut-student-faces-up-to-15-years-in-prison-f/nnnZw/

      • acornwebworks

        No. It should NOT be good enough for you. You REALLY ought to look up the meaning of the term “jihadist” first. Which means you’ll have to look up the meaning of the work “jihad”.

        There was a claim by someone else that she heard the sister make a threat. Then there was a non-bomb. That does NOT equate to them being jihadists.

        I think you’re overreacting.

      • DrunkSpock

        Ahmed’s hoaxbomb was terrorism.

        Ahmed’s sister still, to this day, threatens infidels, oh I mean ‘islamaphobes’, with death in her photos and twitter.

        And their father tries to sue the state while using those proceeds to institute Sharia law.

        Jihadists is the only way for me to interpret those actions.

      • acornwebworks

        Thank you.

  • austin943

    “There’s no evidence to support the perception he intended to create alarm.”
    — Irving Police Chief William Boyd, speaking of Ahmed and his clock

    • Ichabod Crain

      …but there was a perception he intended to create alarm, as you just stated. Just wasn’t supported by evidence that would hold up in a court of law, or at least, be politically compatible.

      • austin943

        No, the Irving police chief had it right. There’s no evidence to support the case that Ahmed intended to cause alarm, in or out of the court room.

      • Ichabod Crain

        …but you just quoted him above as saying there was a perception. Now you are changing it. How can we trust your quotes? Perhaps you should give us a link so we may verify it for ourselves.

      • austin943

        The Irving police chief was correcting a mistaken perception. His quote is easy enough to google.

      • Pierino Forno

        But the perception can only be corrected when it exists. Therefore, the perception that he intended to cause alarm existed. Furthermore, no evidence in favour of the perception is not the same as evidence against it: being acquitted is not the same as being shown to be innocent.

      • austin943

        Actually, being acquitted is the same as being shown to be innocent.

      • Pierino Forno

        Nope. You are acquitted when it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt that you are guilty. You may well be guilty and yet be acquitted because no evidence could be found to convince the jury of your guilt.

      • austin943

        The presumption of innocence says that a defendant is innocent until they are proven guilty.

      • Pierino Forno

        Defendants do not plead “innocent”, but “not guilty”. In the case of Ahmed, the police chief’s assertion does not imply that no malicious intent existed, but only that no evidence exists in support of that hypotheses. Nevertheless, there are pointers that lend credibiity to the hypothesis, all of which have been explained in detail in ths thread.

      • ProfElwood

        Does that apply to the school officials and the police?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Not in austin’s tiny little world.

      • austin943

        Of course.

      • Jester

        Then why are you not vigorously trolling the multitude of websites that are daily convicting the school officials and police of overreaction, bigotry, racial bias, Islamophobia, persecution, and more? The comment sections are full of such supporters. Yet neither the teachers nor the police have been caught in a single lie, as have Ahmed and hIs Father. The school and cops have not gained in any way from their actions, yet the Mohamed family has enriched themselves beyond measure.

        You didn’t seem to flinch when Mohamed El Hassan claimed that “My kid was hurt and was tortured and arrested and mistreated in front of his friends inside of the school,”

        Got an answer?

      • austin943

        What makes you think I haven’t defended the police in this situation? I just quoted the police chief above, and I agree with his assessment. As I said before, I think the police are in a better situation to judge the facts than any of the conspiracy propaganda loons posting here. It’s people like you who’ve been attacking the integrity of the police, saying in effect, that they didn’t bring charges due to external pressure, when that’s not true at all.

      • Jester

        Is that all you’ve got? Figured as much.

      • Jester

        Well, by his own recorded statements, Ahmed has indicated that he has lied about aspects of this story, has contradicted himself numerous times, contradicted his Father, and misrepresented his effort that wound up in the creation of that IED trigger device.

        So forgive people for concluding there is a strong possibility he lied about his motives and intent for bringing that thing to school and alarming his English teacher.

      • Ichabod Crain

        He is learning to use the Force – taqiyya.

      • acornwebworks

        Where did Ahmed actually say that he lied??? (And, no, changing one’s story does NOT “indicate” someone has lied.

        And where did the authorities state that he created an “IED trigger device”? Or are you merely grossly overstating for effect?

      • Jester

        Typical lefty, trying to redefine the definition of a lie, to cover up for the lies of another leftist loon.

      • Ichabod Crain

        You are absolutely right – a defendant is innocent until they are proven guilty – in a court of law. In the court of public opinion, however, his innocence remains in dispute.

      • Dreaded Rear Admiral

        .

      • Jester

        And given the arrogance of the Mohamed family, they proceeded to publicly celebrate and then exploit the event, speaking in front of microphones and cameras impulsively and carelessly, which resulted in a plethora of statements being uttered which contradict each other, and contradict the notion that there is no evidence to support the theory that there was intent, and if not intent, reckless disregard for the comfort of others.

        In addition there is a case to be made of fraud in misrepresenting both the nature of the device and the process of its construction, while canvassing for funds and accepting gifts based on that faulty representation of facts.

        The fact there was no evidence at the time of the police interrogation does not exclude the chance that evidence may be brought forward in the future, and as he was not charged, indicted, and acquitted, there is no double jeopardy in play. He may be charged any time in the future at the district attorney’s discretion.

      • austin943

        No, the police already said that they considered the case as “closed”. There’s virtually zero chance that Ahmed would be charged with any crime.

      • Jester

        Two can play your little game of deception. The police saying the case is closed does not lawfully preclude them from re-opening it.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        He knows that. He’s been told more than once.

      • acornwebworks

        The prosecutors’ office said no charges would be filed…that they would not prosecute. So it’s not just the police saying it.

      • Jester

        Of course silly. The police don’t charge without the prosecutor giving the OK.

        Don’t you have anything better to do then to come here, nitpick, and be wrong alot?

      • ProfElwood

        He’s extremely open to lawsuits right now. Good thing they already put up a defense fund.

      • Ichabod Crain

        I’m not going to Google for support for your point of view. That’s your responsibility to back up your arguments.

      • austin943

        I am saying you can google the Chief’s statement. It comes up as the first hit. I believe the Irving police chief is far more capable of investigating threats to the community than any of the loons here.

    • TaiFood
  • MoonBeamWatcher

    Ahmed Mohamod is off to our Rose Garden to have a beer?

    Yo BHO kids a FRAUD and a HOAX under 18 too Barry!
    Nice to know you don’t have to get up like the Early Bird to
    fool the Glorious leader of these United States of America!

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Let’s return to the fundamental issue here. Who here believes that Ahmed is telling the truth when he says that he built a clock from scraps lying around the house and conversely that the author of the article to which we posting incorrectly theorizes that Ahmed simply removed the components of an alarm clock, and placed them into a case? Stand up and be counted.

    • austin943

      Both accounts are not inconsistent with each other. Why would you think so?

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Because taking the inside of a clock out of one case and placing it into another is not building from scraps– because a clock is not “scraps.” However, if you want to equate the two, then the question becomes why Ahmed thought that might impress a science teacher, or whether he will ever be forthcoming about what he refers to as an invention.

      • austin943

        The clock electronics, the case, and the cord were the “scraps” that Ahmed used to create the clock.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Is there any level of self respect left in you?

      • Jester

        there was apparently never any there to begin with.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I think you pegged it.

        Something I have noticed about paid trolls: Even if the discussion is about quantum physics, they come in with an attitude that they know something the other posters don’t…. which is true. They are not here to learn anything, or enlighten us… what they know, that we don’t, is that they are here to simply destroy… and that self respect, and respecting others is a detriment to the mission.

        These are the same people who, in the real world, can’t even maintain eye contact with real men, or strong women.

      • Ichabod Crain

        Do you really believe somebody would pay Austin to troll? I think if they did make him an offer to pay for his posts, they won’t pay up once they have seen them.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I have noticed a real drop in the quality of the trolling since certain other public figures have gotten in too deep to make any use of them.

        For example: It’s been a while since I have seen any “Hillary is inevitable, live in fear” trolls of any real intelligence.

        austin is nothing more than the equivalent of packing material, meant only to obscure the truth under a blizzard of verbiage. At that, he is serviceable… anything that pushes facts past the point any casual (unconvinced) reader will go, is good enough.

        I’m betting it doesn’t pay well, though. Those days ended when it was discovered that Pros were being used for propaganda.

      • DrunkSpock

        I would definitely want my money back. He better be able to outrun bows and arrows or their collections department might come after him.

      • DrunkSpock

        They all came from the same source, and in unmodified form. They weren’t scraps any more than the device you’re using now is. ‘Still functional’ means ‘not scraps’.

      • austin943

        Nope, the case and cord were not originally part of the clock electronics.

      • DrunkSpock

        That’s partially true, he did change the case.

        What functionality did Ahmed’s case modifications add? Conceal-ability? Additional payload area? Anything else?

      • austin943

        It does not matter. Ahmed’s account of the construction of his clock is consistent with the description in this article.

      • DrunkSpock

        Oh it very much does matter.

        Follow up question:
        What functionality did Ahmed’s case modification remove?

        Answer:
        Pretty much all of it, except for the alarm’s ability to gain attention with audio. Or potentially trigger other effects not typically associated with looking at or using a clock.

        All other functionality was deliberately removed by Ahmed’s modification.

      • Jester

        Not to mention all those exposed connections and leads were a shock hazard. What an abomination.

      • Dreaded Rear Admiral

        That’s an excellent point. This device had one purpose – to play off an already ginned-up school administration that has likely been at the business end of parents screaming for student safety at any cost.

      • Pierino Forno

        If you mean that it is possible that Ahmed said the truth about his clock, then you’re right. The point, however, is whether it is probable. If every objection to Ahmed’s account elicits an ad hoc explanation, its likelihood approaches zero.

      • Ichabod Crain

        You’re really stretching the meaning of the term “invention” Austin.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Stretching beyond the capability of a certain Latex device I am beginning to wish his father had put to use, for the betterment of Mankind.

      • Jester

        Horse hockey. A fully intact pencil case is not a “scrap”. You are reaching. And as far as the cord, there were 2. The AC power cord which came from the fully functioning Micronta alarm clock Ahmed used, and the thin plastic wire cord that he tied the thing shut with unnecessarily as the latch appears undamaged.

      • Dreaded Rear Admiral

        Wow. You are * seriously * reaching.

      • Pierino Forno

        Of course they are inconsistent! “Scraps” are by definition not a working unit. If you take a whole working unit and place it in a different case, then claiming that you assembled it from scraps is definitely a lie.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Exactly. So if Ahmed is untruthful to begin with, when are we supposed to start believing him? His accounts are inconsistent, and no interviewer has done a professional job and asked him to be specific about anything.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        More to the point Austin, it appears that you cannot dispute Anthony’s theory. Ahmed’s family will not allow his invention to be examined. Why?

      • austin943

        I am not disputing the theory of the article, I am stating facts. And the fact is that Ahmed never claimed to have created the clock components. This article is based on the false premise that Ahmed did make such a claim. All of Ahmed’s statements so far are consistent with the portrayal of the assembly of the clock in the article.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        An invention, in order to be called such, has to have unique and obvious features that make it superior to anything preceding it.

        I’m dying to see his next one… he claims he will invent an atomic clock with thermometer included. I believe Radio Shack sold one, I seem to remember almost buying one.

        You are not only beating a dead horse here… you seem to be masturbating over it’s corpse.

        Have some self respect, or, at least, pretend to.

      • Pierino Forno

        OK, now you’re shifting the goal posts. Of course no-one would expect Ahmed to have manufactured every chip and resistor; that’s not what inventing means in the field of electronics. It is assumed that ready-made components will be used. Ahmed, however, referred to the clock as an invention multiple times, and we know for a fact that he did not take a set of components and arranged them so they would constitute a clock, but rather he took a working unit of components and placed them in anothe enclosure. Calling that an “invention” is dishonest.

      • Ichabod Crain

        He created a disinvention and was disingenuous about it.

      • DrunkSpock

        We can’t let him become disillusioned or disinterested, lets all play along with the disinformation. Otherwise he may become dismal (almost… despondent), at the distopian discrimination he gradually discerns.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        LOL… thanks!

      • Jester

        The article is not based on the premise that Ahmed claimed that he created the components.

        The author concluded- “Ahmed Mohamed did not invent, nor build a clock. He took apart an existing clock, and transplanted the guts into a pencil box, and claimed it was his own creation. It all seems really fishy to me.”

        Technically, it was Ahmed’s own creation, and in that sense Anthony is technically incorrect.

        But ahmed did claimed to have invented a clock. The author has shown he did not invent anything, as well as debunking the “scraps laying around the house” claim.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I understand. I’ll agree to disagree. The premise of the article is not that Ahmed claimed to have created the clock components. Anthony’s premise, highlighted in bold lettering in the article, is that “Ahmed Mohammed didn’t invent his own alarm clock. He didnt even build a clock.” I believe that premise is true, and you believe that placing the unaltered mechanism of the commercial clock into a pencil case is an invention or built from scraps. We are at an impasse If you think Anthony’s theory is irrelevant.

    • Pierino Forno

      I do not for a second believe Ahmed. It is just too obvious that he took everything from a single commercially available clock.

    • witnesstothecarnage

      As I have been saying since before I knew about this site, it doesn’t make any sense that, even if he had “scraps” from 3 identical clocks to work with… anyone could call this a “build”, much less an “invention”. There isn’t a single hand done solder joint in the contraption, and every joint has an identical (30 yr old) patina of oxidation. You cannot dupe that corrosion in 20 yrs, much less 20 mins.

      I was convinced the second that pic came out. It wasn’t until the concentrated effort to discredit this site, and ridicule all the folks who expanded on this article, that I suspected it might have been bigger than the family… a suspicion I have seen zero reason to shed.

    • ProfElwood

      I’ll leave the whys and wherefores out until other information presents itself, but obviously, the kid and much of his family have proven themselves pathological lairs.

      Apparently, that’s a good thing now: he has a lot of defenders.

    • Thurgood Stubbs

      What if the clock was broken in a closet for years and he took it apart and put it back together in a box and it worked?

      • ProfElwood

        His father already contradicted that. He said Ahmed used it to wake up on most mornings.

      • Ichabod Crain

        He never said he repaired it. He said he invented it.

      • Thurgood Stubbs

        And as we all know, 14 year olds are sticklers for not embellishing anything.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Billy, is that you?

      • Thurgood Stubbs

        Put down the crack pipe son.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        1. You need to buy a comma.

        2. You are calling the wrong man “son”.

        3. You need to bring something we haven’t already seen a thousand times, if you want any respect.

        4. The question is legitimate… and, you’d know that if you had read far enough to see that you are regurgitating precisely what Billy did, before he was asked to prove his credentials… and ran.

      • Thurgood Stubbs

        You’re calling the wrong man “Billy”, son.
        Did you see the comma?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I sure did. You seem to learn quickly… so, I suggest you read a little more, before you start imagining you are actually contributing anything here.

        BTW, my father was, literally, a rocket scientist (explosives and propellents, had a higher clearance than POTUS has)… and, he taught me Scientific Method before I was 10. That gave me a real appetite for sensing, dissecting and eliminating BS. Then, the net came, trolls appeared, and a fun, cheap hobby became mine.

        You can call me anything you want, troll, but calling me “son” is flattering yourself.

        Until you say something interesting, I will leave this interaction right where it belongs…. and will not be helping you gather nickles any more.

        Have a nice life.

      • Thurgood Stubbs

        Ooooooo, you’re Daddy was a rocket scientist!!
        Oh yeah, well my Dad can beat up your Dad!!!
        Ha!!

      • Jester

        Especially when their Father and CAIR handler are encouraging them to share their gift of deceptology with the world, and go for the gold.

      • ProfElwood

        How far can you stretch yourself to cover for a blatant, bold-faced lie?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Hmmm… fresh ID, stale talking points…

      • Jester

        so unoriginal. Like Ahmed’s hoax bomb.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        So predictable…

        I have to wonder if the standard incubation period, to rack up posts and votes (at Salon?), has been shortened due to lack of veteran trolls… or, an explosion of sources of truth to cover up?

      • DrunkSpock

        Right, so when he says ‘impress’, we should probably realize what he meant was ‘hoax-bomb’. You’re right, he embellished that quite a bit.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Then you would be talking about some other Ahmed.

      • Jester

        Then hell would freeze over and all the Islamists would need to learn to ice skate.

  • Jester

    Well, revealed prophecy continues apace, as the Battle of Armageddon officially kicked off today when a brigade of Syrian Alawite Dictator Bashar al Asad’s forces is reported to have launched 2 rockets into Israel. To which Israel responded by launching 2 missiles at Assad’s forces, as well as IDF airstrikes on the position, and the IDF is continuing sorties.

    Gird yer loins and stay frosty.

    • witnesstothecarnage

      ‘Bout time. I’m tired of waiting for the inevitable.

    • Ichabod Crain

      Looks like Asad might be making a long overdue payment to his Iranian masters.

    • DrunkSpock

      Three rockets now. Israeli aircraft over Syrian airspace with no apparent resistance.

      yahoogle for israel-strikes-syria-stray-rockets-land-golan

      This is the second time recently too. August 20 there was another dustup. I’m glad Israel would take such active measures to secure their borders.

      I wonder how much the Russian force that touched down recently in Syria might have been involved. The team they announced to the news were allegedly scouting out places to build a new airport but who knows who else they have on the ground over there.

    • Thurgood Stubbs

      Maybe the U.S. will say, “Who gives a shit!” and mind our own business and get our own country back into shape!!

      HA HA HA!!! That was a good one, eh?

      • Whamadoodle

        Strangely, the person you’re talking to says with one breath “OMG you want to take in refugees but you don’t care about our veterans here at home!” (which is a bald-faced lie, of course, but anyway), but then turns right around and is completely silent on the fact that America constantly starts wars in the middle east, instead of spending that money on our people back home, and creates more refugees into the bargain. But logic isn’t always in evidence.

      • Jester

        I already stated, at least twice in replies to you last night, how strongly I am against the idea of Americans getting involved in foreign lands as a principle, invoking the Thomas Jefferson doctrine of dealing with threats. And went into great detail about my opposition to the rogue administrations of late who have meddled around the world on my dime while manipulating the public they are meant to serve into sending their sons and daughters into conflicts that they largely create by their policies.

        But I also said, like you do with your own person, ask forgiveness of others you slight, and regardless of their blessing, forgive yourself and FORGET THE PAST AND MOVE ON. Meaning deal with the present threats as they present themselves regardless of how many mistakes you made in getting you there. If you get into a verbal disagreement with someone and you both say things regrettable and harsh, and the other guy throws the first punch, you can stand there and reflect (gee, I definitely had some culpability in raising his anger) and indulge in enough self loathing that you don’t fight back and get your ass kicked. OR, you can defend yourself realizing you both had a part to play, and your guilty self flagelation and martyrdom will not help your dependents when you are in the hospital or dead.

        I advocate voting the traitors out of office (and if that doesn’t work by all means necessary), then bringing our troops home from all but the most vital strategic positions around the globe, which are many, and not interfering in nation building, nation manipulation, and especially replacing a known stable enemy dictator with an unknown.

        Shut the borders to all but highly select immigration on an as needed basis to fulfill actual needs in the country, and that only after all able bodied American’s are put back to work, and all the homeless (veterans or otherwise) have their dignity restored.

      • Whamadoodle

        Yeah unfortunately, you’re not “defending yourself” against ANYthing. America’s immigrants aren’t killing any more people than native-born Americans are, so your paranoia has plainly gotten the better of you, and there’s no need to adopt your shut-borders policy. Your exaggeration of threats does not imply an emergency on any of our parts. You don’t identify “the traitors,” but it sounds like the usual “FEMA Concentration Camps are Coming, no seriously, you guys, they really are this time” raving.

      • Jester

        You are out of your mind to claim America’s immigrants aren’t killing anyone.

        The overall perspective of the criminal behavior of illegal aliens is grim. In a 2007 Government Accountability Office study of 55,322 illegal aliens, analysts discovered that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about eight arrests per illegal alien: 70 percent had between two and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Drug or immigration offenses accounted for 45 percent of all offenses, and approximately 12 percent (over 6,600 illegal aliens) were arrested for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.[14]

        An FBI crime study also shows heavy illegal alien involvement in criminal activity revealed these statistics:

        75 percent of those on the most wanted criminals list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

        One quarter of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals, as are more than 40 percent of all inmates in Arizona and 48 percent in New Mexico jails.

        Over 53 percent of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

        “Of the 160,000 people in the database, more than 26,000 were re-arrested — accounting for nearly 58,000 crimes and violations. They allegedly committed nearly 8,500 drunken-driving offenses and more than 6,000 drug-related violations. The records also show major criminal offenses, which included murder, battery, rape, kidnapping and nearly 3,000 thefts. Roughly two percent of the crimes included child molestation, lynching, and torture, according to the 13-page Congressional Research Service report.”[13]

        the Office of Immigration Statistics reported that of the 188,382 deportations of illegal aliens in 2011, 23 percent had committed criminal traffic offenses (primarily driving under the influence). Congressman Steve King (R-IA) estimates that illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.[4]The 23 percent criminal traffic offenders figure is only part of the overall picture. According to the Center forImmigration Studies, another 23 percent, more than 43,000 illegal aliens, were convicted of drug offenses. The violent crime category of assault, robbery, sexual assault, and family offenses comes to 12 percent.

        http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

      • Whamadoodle

        Again, your source is lying to distort the facts. In fact, immigrants to the US are LESS likely than the native-born to commit violent crime, as even the archconservative Wall Street Journal demonstrates:

        http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798

        You are attempting to make a bigoted smear of immigrants (and do you by chance exempt your OWN religion from this smear? Interesting…). Your source lies; and you lie.

      • Jester

        YOU are certifiably insane. You plainly stated that American’s immigrants aren’t killing anyone. Nowhere did I state or imply, nor did the author of that article state or imply, any comparison to native crime statistics. Talk about a liar. All you do is fabricate and prevaricate from comment to comment, so much that you can’t even keep track of the last thing you said!

      • Jester

        In addition the reasoning to suspend immigration and continue it with selectivity is not based on the proportion of criminal acts by immigrants being lesser or greater than criminal acts by natives, that is a red herring.

        The primary considerations are loss of job availability to those who emigrated legally, as they require higher pay as opposed to illegals who siphon off the welfare system initially and can accept lower wages, or who are willing to live in squalor (because used to it) and thus compete downward.

        Further culture drift due to language barriers and retention of allegiance to old culture, and drain on local school resources due to the challenges of assimilation which include requiring greater attention from teachers, depriving other students.

        The simple and effective infiltration of groups of “expedited migrants” by violent cartel members, drug dealers, and those of criminal mindset.

        After all, if we have to deal with so many “native born” criminals already, what better reason to be ULTRA selective as to who we let in, minimizing risk to zero if necessary.

        I could go on, but I am certain due to your penchant for the absurd that you will rationalize away these valid points and/or reply with some non sequitur, or worse.

      • Whamadoodle

        All the “they’ll take our jobs!” hysteria can be added to the rest; immigrants, when allowed to work legally in a new country, CREATE jobs; it is a fallacy that all they do is take opportunities from native-born sons and daughters of immigrants (as we all are, yourself included).

        Same things, precisely, were said about my Jewish father: “he’ll take American jobs!” “His sort doesn’t fit here!” “He’s an enemy alien!” On this basis, America sent many Jews back to their deaths in Nazi-occupied Europe 80 years ago; thank God, my father wasn’t sent back. I fervently hope that your mindset never takes hold, and as my voice as a voter is equal to yours, I will continue to encourage us to be as welcoming as the Statue of Liberty–and the Constitution’s Establishment Clause–say we are. Last word is yours.

      • Jester

        Depending on the health of the economy, the character, skillset, and compatibility of the newcomers, it is possible that new workers could fulfill needs in a company, allowing them that company to thrive and possibly expand, in which case new jobs would be created. And their needs being met will also create opportunities for those here already.

        In that regard, the qualifications of 100,000 Muslim refugees will create a deficit for many years before, if they were all to assimilate in a well adjusted manner and present viable needed skills, there would be any possible return for the economy. And they will have little to spend into the economy, unless it is the money we are already giving them in welfare.

        Right now, our straits are dire and we don’t have the wherewithal to take the short and mid term loss. Hell, we will be BORROWING THE MONEY TO BRING THEM HERE AND HOUSE AND FEED THEM FOR YEARS!

        And that is forgetting about all the other problems that they will bring which were clearly delineated. Oh, and the little thing about the practice of Islam being diametrically opposed to the vital dynamic of a free society where the citizens reject the idea of being coerced to believe in and follow a foreign system of laws just because the promulgators of those laws claim they descend from a Deity, and that Deity orders them to gather enough numbers to subjugate you b force if the proselytizing doesn’t persuade conversion first.

    • Jester

      if we are to believe Debka, the Chinese are now in on it too, in strength.

      As US President Barack Obama welcomed Chinese President Xi Jinping to the White House on Friday, Sept. 25, and spoke of the friendship between the two countries, the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning-CV-16 docked at the Syrian port of Tartus, accompanied by a guided missile cruiser. This is revealed exclusively by DEBKAfile.

      • Ichabod Crain

        Holy sh*t!

      • DrunkSpock

        libertyunyielding(DOT)com/2015/09/27/theres-no-chinese-aircraft-carrier-in-syria/

        Retired naval intelligence analyst disputes claim of chinese aircraft carrier in Syria. TLDR version is it wouldn’t travel alone and there were no other reports of a fleet travelling through certain unavoidable, closely observed transit points.

        She seems to feel this could be Russian naval ships being misrepresented as Chinese navy.

      • TaiFood

        Here’s the link to the original report detailing its route and timing through the Suez Canal on Sept.22 along with a destroyer

        http://www.debka.com/article/24909/A-Chinese-aircraft-carrier-docks-at-Tartus-to-support-Russian-Iranian-military-buildup-

      • DrunkSpock

        Interesting. Thanks.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Here’s an interesting compilation of info on you tube, I don’t vouch for its complete veracity, but it’s nice to see someone doing some legwork….since no major network or news source has. http://youtu.be/pzUtR5TvuzQ

    • Ichabod Crain

      link?

      • Glenn Macbeth
      • witnesstothecarnage

        Glenn’s link, which was below, has been removed? Says I cannot respond to that post as a moderator removed it.

        Here’s what I tried to post:

        In this vid, the soldering iron has plenty of discoloration on the
        element barrel, and has been obviously used. The first pic I saw was of a
        new iron, heated up only once or twice.

        This whole thing reeks of manipulation.

      • Glenn Macbeth

        I posted the YouTube link, but that was redundant or not what was being asked for since the YouTube link can be gotten from the original post, so I removed it.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        God knows, we don’t need any more redundancy here…lol.

        :)

      • Ichabod Crain

        I saw it – thanks. It was the same for me.

    • Jester

      In his first statement, he said I wanted so show HER something small at first.

      I was under the impression that the Science teacher was a man. I remember reading the English teacher was a woman. Anyone?

      • Jester

        Well, Ahmed answered my question at 4:46 when he says that his first period (Science) teacher was a “he”, and that “he advised him not to show to show it to any other people.”

        So, in the earlier interview, he confuses his story and wants us to believe that he was trying to impress HER because it was the FEMALE ENGLISH teacher who ratted him out, instead of being favorably impressed by the hoax.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I’ve seen him interviewed on ABC, Al Jazeera, Nightly Show, MSNBC, on his front lawn, and not one reporter questions his story. His family will not allow for disclosure of information held by the school or city. They will no doubt vet any further interviews to avoid deeper questioning. His clock will gather dust at the police station until the end of time. Maybe someday an investigative reporter from a notable publication will uncover this story, but I don’t see that for some time. If you happen to postulate that the reason this happened to Ahmed Mohammed in the town of Irving Texas was not because they are racist overreacting bigots, then you will be characterized as a conspiracy nut. Time will tell. Ahmed now has public opinion on his side thanks to our social media, thirty seconds and a sound bite that supports a narrative media paradigm. I guess I’ll just wait to see what Ahmed invents next, besides a story of persecution.

      • Jester

        be of good cheer! Armageddon is here! Christ and his crew are not fooled and Justice will be served, hot or cold!

      • Theodore

        The MSNBC video w/the CAIR Rep sitting next to him was done on 15 Sept. He screwed up in the video when he told Chris Hayes that his Engineering Teacher told him it looked like a bomb. All interviews after the MSNBC video, he only references the Female English Teacger

    • Jester

      2 very revealing comments made to the comment section of you tuber Jill Pearson who produced the video above.

      1. Prodos Marinakis writes: I see in a comment, below, by Tyler Price:

      //Last night I was watching the local news (I’m from Texas. Not conservative, not religious.) and Heath Wester, President of the Texas Municipal Police Association, has spoken with the officers involved, including the Chief of Police, and his conclusion after speaking with them was that Ahmed “knew exactly what he was doing.”//

      2. Mark Saunders 2 days ago (edited)

      Ahmed’s intention was always to get arrested and create a media circus. Notice he wore a NASA shirt. Probably because he read about Kiera Wilmot and how she was offered a (NASA) Space-Camp scholarship as part of the knee-jerk reaction to her arrest for a “science project” (drano bomb) that she set off at school.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Dang. Nice work. Wearing the NASA shirt was “diabolically clever,” to quote Dr. Oz.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        You are both assets to this hurriedly formed community.

    • witnesstothecarnage

      This little fella is a gift that keeps on giving. I noticed the abrupt editing, and that his handler was coaching him. There is a reason they sat her closer than him… maybe so he could get cues without having to look over to her?

      Thanks for the link!

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I love the part at 2:00 where he holds an unidentified circuit board and points to a piece that is a transformer, then runs out of explaining and just says “you get what I’m saying here.”

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Almost as good as the next scene where he waves a soldering iron tip over a board likes he’s Harry Potter.

      • Jester

        Well the Devil has seen to empower him with some sleight of hand, but that is easy when so many sheeple in this country have the wool pulled over their eyes.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        This thing has legs like a racehorse. Every day I am more convinced that we are going to see him become toxic to the agenda…

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Thank goodness Ahmed loves the spotlight.

      • Jester

        Jill Pearson is working on a PART 2 to this expose. I have already begun sharing some tips with her. I should give her the link to this article and let her know there is a posse formed in the Disqus comment section with sharp eyes, sharp analysis, and sharp pitchforks.

      • Ichabod Crain

        I hope you tell her to get rid of that silly picture of a “real suitcase bomb”. That was posted by the media, but has already been discredited as just a kit used by technicians to test alarms.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Good thinking.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Good eye, Ichabod. She has put a disclaimer on her post.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Nice work again, Jester.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        The timing is perfect, the “spokesman” is perfect, and the list of “believers” couldn’t be more representative of deserving manipulators.

        I plan to enjoy every minute of the impending PR disaster they are unknowingly brewing.

      • Zardoz

        For all of the complaints that criticizing this story equates to “picking on a kid”, Ahmed’s handlers keep putting him front and center. The kid wouldn’t be taking so many punches if his supporters would just stop hiding behind him.

      • DrunkSpock

        Up until I became convinced he was deliberately hoax-bombing his English class, I would have agreed with you. I am much more concerned about the terrorism than his ‘I invented this clock’ lie. If all he did was mis-speak about making a clock, I wouldn’t fault him for that, it’s not a big deal. Kid’s are kids and who cares about a clock. However, once it’s clear he’s a terrorist, even a pint-sized terrorist, my pity for him rapidly approaches zero, and the clock lie just makes it clear there is a lot of deception coming from team Clockmed.

        The only way for Ahmed to make this right is to admit he was hoaxbombing his class, apologize to Texas for calling them racists, apologize to the world for deceiving them and accepting their donations, and explain why he would choose to do this (especially if he was pressured into it by his father or sister).

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        As for the coaching, Mark Cuban!’s statement that Ahmed’s sister coached him throughout His conversation with Ahmed is significant.

      • acornwebworks

        Actually, Mark Cuban specifically said that Ahmed’s sister only coached him on Cuban’s question “What happened?”

        So why are you grossly expanding that into her coaching Ahmed through his conversation with Cuban? Did you not listen to what Cuban said? Or have you merely been fooled by the exaggerated claims of others who, themselves, didn’t listen to Cuban or read what he specifically said?

  • DrunkSpock

    I would like to see someone do an intricate job of making the absolute most weaponized version of Ahmed’s clock possible, and then demonstrate what size explosion it could generate down at the bomb range. I’m pretty certain you could create lethal pressures for everything within 20 feet easily enough, using a device that is visually and functionally identical to Ahmed’s clock. Except it’s a bomb.

    Then show the bomb to electronics experts and see how many say ‘thats a clock, dummy, dont be racist’. I feel like that’s fighting Troll with Troll, maybe that’s what is necessary.

    Mythbusters could really have a field day with this idea.

    • Jester

      Mythbusters has an email address, and certainly access to C4. I bet they are way too leftist to take this on as it is a no brainer that even an amount of C4 that could be stuffed inside that netting as a substitute for the silica dessicant packet, would be enough to blow a person’s head clean off their body, sending shrapnel from that metal case EVERYWHERE.

      • DrunkSpock

        Yeah anyone who acts like just looking at that hoaxbomb is any reason to say ‘thats harmless’ is uninformed.

      • bcfisher

        Two posts from;

        http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-212792.html

        Q.E.D.;
        “Well, C4 is about 1.2 times as powerful as TNT, the standard against which other expolosives are measure.”

        An interesting side point:

        T. Slothrop;
        “finally something I know about, or cooking with C4.
        It wasn’t only the special forces doing it, I was a straight leg
        infantry medic and we used it. Like Uncle Bill said, it was safe as
        long as you didn’t stomp on it while it was burning. We usually used it
        to heat water for C-ration coffee because it was so hot.” In Vietnam.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        One of the mythbuster dudes jumped on the Ahmed bandwagon immediately. I’m wondering if he’s having second thoughts.

      • Jester

        Now that could be motivation. Lefties are generally vindictive and enjoy serving up retribution with relish.

      • acornwebworks

        An you don’t think that you come across as vindictive? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      • DrunkSpock

        Not particularly so, no. Jester knows I am a very left leaning liberal, Jester obviously does not like liberals but it’s not a problem that I am one. That demonstrates a lack of vindictiveness.

      • Jester

        as there is a world of difference between a left leaning liberal and the breed who are the targets in my scope, and I am usually generous with the adjectives.

        Whacko lefties

        Rabid lefties.

        I was a left leaning liberal, and am now a right leaning liberal, otherwise known as a moderate person. In my theology/religion conservative values include being very liberal under various circumstances.

      • acornwebworks

        Based on your own plans for changing the world (including that bizarre plan for America taking over all the Americas), I find it hard to believe that you’re a moderate.

      • Jester

        Not my plan, I simply agree with a plan already in motion devised by men wiser than me. Once the cartels are eliminated and the corruption in the Mexican government cleaned up, the people are going to be very happy to be free to live and govern their States according to the principles of freedom enshrined in the US constitution and enjoy the protections associated with it.

      • britishvoiceman

        ROFLMAO!

      • acornwebworks

        Sorry, Spock. But just because Jester sometimes agrees with you doesn’t mean he’s not vindictive toward people he disagrees with.

        Heck, even his claim that “Lefties are generally vindictive and enjoy serving up retribution with relish” is a mean-spirited AND FALSE comment designed only to strike out at people who disagree with him.

      • DrunkSpock

        You’re the only one that cares about this off-topic distraction or scrolling the posts with it. I refuse to play along any further.

      • Jester

        you really need to get a hold of a dictionary. And a brain.

      • acornwebworks

        I actually did look up “vindictive” before I posted this (because I just *knew* you’d say something like this :-)…and it DOES apply to you.

        Sorry my brain works better than yours. Oh well.

      • Jester

        So, you are not only hypocrite but a masochist? Terrible combo.

        So, Brainiac, what am I seeking revenge for? Be specific.

      • britishvoiceman

        No, he’s just an Islamophobic conspiracy nut.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Here is the link. http://youtu.be/iAvT6iX88-g jump to the 7:00 mark. This guy is a Myth-Promoter, not a Myth-Buster.

      • Zardoz

        It doesn’t sound like Adam Savage had even seen the photos of the actual clock that Ahmed supposedly “built”. Was this video shot before that photo was released?

      • DrunkSpock

        They showed him a picture during the show… but on a cellphone, probably too small to make out any details at the time. To be fair, without looking at it first, I’m glad that they didn’t immediately assume it was a fraud. Why would they? But once they have a chance to take even a brief glance at the full-resolution pics, its time to step away from Ahmed (and start busting some myths).

      • xxblackoutxx

        Probably too small to make out details? Have you even used a smartphone recently? Looks like an iPhone 6 to me which has a better display than about 80% of the tv and computer monitors out there lol.. He clearly also zoomed in on the picture and examined it a little further. Obviously Ahmed’s little project was a bomb, I mean why else would he go around telling people he was building it prior and then once he made it proceeded to go around and show everyone it instead of just set it in a weird location maybe somewhere in the cafeteria? I’m sure when most people create bombs they also only use 1/10th of the amount of space they have available to fill with their choice of explosives right? Also if I was a principal of a school and suspected a student to poses such a dangerous device the first thing I would do is retrieve the device and put it in my extremely safe explosive resistant office?

      • xxblackoutxx

        I will say though this shit with his sister and her suspension is the only thing that makes me the least bit curious about this case and justifies any reasoning in this situation.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I would Throw in the report that his father encouraged him to share his gift for Technology when he drove him to school Monday, and the father’s refusal to pick up the “clock” from the police station, just for starters . Anyways, thanks for your reply, and I hope that you will continue to keep an open mind, if I am too Reactive to your post, my apologies

      • Jester

        This is why people just tuning in to this fiasco need to be directed to a simple document with bullet points delineating all the telling statements, inconsistencies, contradictions, and flat out lies, including also the past histories of the characters. Operations like these are crafted so that there is almost nothing observable on the surface to indicate foul play, and those without an instinct will buy the narrative hook line and sinker. And to snap them out of the spell, it takes more than a couple points thrown at them to break the ice.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Just when I think I am out, they pull me back in . The issue was never WAS it a bomb. The issue at the school was whether Ahmed intended to create an impression that it looked like a bomb. Because the first perso he showed it to, his science teacher, told him it looked like a bomb, and Ahmed continued to display it, how is his being disciplined and investigated unreasonable. Complain about the handcuffs, but that “why dint they evacuate the school? Quotes line of reasoning is a red herring .

      • xxblackoutxx

        So they knew it wasn’t a bomb and proceeded to call the bomb squad and police? So someone who worked at that school was a retired member of the bomb squad correct? Or else they just decided it was worth the risk to not evacuate and see what happens? I’ve been evacuated from school from fucking band saws making smoke in shop class. I’ve had my school on lock down because their was a suspicious person or a robbery around my school. Yet when there’s a potential bomb in a building it’s a good idea to keep the students in the building? I don’t care that he was arrested, I don’t care people were suspicious of a suitcase and a persons race. What I care about is the fact they put children’s life at risk by their speculation. I also care about the fact that a minor was interrogated without a parent or attorney present. So it’s wrong to dismantle a clock but it’s okay to take away someones right?

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Your points are valid to some extent, but the question at hand is whether Ahmed intentionally provoked this incident and whether his father too. I am all for protecting a students rights and The safety of students. However Ahmed is free to pursue an action in court to step was to his rights were violated. I guarantee you that he will never do that, because then he will become subject to examination attorneys, and the school records be disclosed

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        In other words, blackout, you just went right back to the red herring I mentioned in my post

      • Jester

        You may be right, but consider this alternative.

        It is SOP for Islamists to not really care about their children and sacrifice them to advance their cause of forcing everyone they meet to accept, praise, and eventually join their backwards cult, or become utterly enslaved/submissive to them, or die.

        Therefore, what is to stop Daddy and that heinous CAIR troll from insisting on the lawsuit? They stand to get much more media attention in order to blab on and on about how they are persecuted and everyone in Texas is Islamophobic. Tell a lie often enough…

        They can then raise more funds from the gullible lefty lynch mob in the social media, from which they can grift a bunch for “administrative costs”, and feed their greedy lawyers.

        And then no matter what comes up in the trial painting Ahmed and family in a bad (but true) light, they will lie about it to the media, spin it, and encourage protests to spring up all over the country, raising money off of merchandise and more fundraising.

        And by this time Ahmed is such a pathological narcissist that even if he admits in his own mind that the truth is being revealed about him, he will consider it his sacred duty to lie and dissemble because in his mind these persecuting white devils have no right to question the acts of a Muslim who should be able to do and say whatever he wants.

      • DrunkSpock

        A hoaxbomb does not require a bomb squad or evacuation, however it does still have consequences. One of them might be handcuffs.

      • DrunkSpock

        What he actually did was arm the device, lash it closed with a scrap of wire, and still plugged in, hide it so it goes off in the middle of English class. And he did this without telling the teacher about it even though it was allegedly ‘to impress her’.

        I realize that you’re trying to use hyperbole to make the circumstances appear less absurd but the reality is somehow even worse than your exaggerated version. His actions were very deliberate that day. His goal was to terrorize his English class with a hoaxbomb. ‘Impress’ them.

        Ahmed made one modification to the clock, by putting it into a different case.

        Q: What functionality did Ahmed’s only modification add?
        A: More conceal-ability, larger ‘payload’. Anything else? No. Those are the only possible features added.

        Q: What functionality did Ahmed’s only modification remove?
        A: All other clock features. There was no way to look at or interact with the clock in it’s new case. All it could do was go off, and when it did, you couldn’t even turn it off because the switches are inside a case that was lashed shut with scrap wire, allegedly ‘to make it less suspicious’ looking.

        That is a deliberate hoaxbomb. You can try to justify it all you want but you’re wasting your time. No rational person is OK with children acting as terrorists, even if they do it in a NASA shirt.

        Don’t those other kids get to go to school without being attacked by Ahmed so his father can start a media stunt and he can play the race card? Why don’t they deserve a safe day of learning? Why should Ahmed’s media stunt / hoax-bomb take priority over that?

      • acornwebworks

        LOL :-)

      • DrunkSpock

        Terrorism is so funny! Who doesn’t love a good ‘bomb in a crowded school classroom’ joke?!

      • acornwebworks

        Since C4 wasn’t involved, why would they need it? Why would it be relevant?

        Have you never watched Mythbusters? Hint: They attempt to debunk actual myths. Period.

        And the fact is that there is NO “myth” that this was, indeed, a bomb. So just what “myth” do you expect them to debunk???

      • Jester

        the myth that all the whacko lefties appear to be supporting that
        only an Islamophobic idiot could even think something like that could be used as a bomb.

        When in fact, all it lacked was a metal clip for
        ignition, and some explosive material. At first glance, that dessicant
        pack that is stuffed into the mesh netting is unidentifiable, and could
        easily be a hunk of semtex, enough to separate someone’s forearm from their body, and send fragments of that metal case into anyone standing nearby.

      • DrunkSpock

        Have you noticed that the power transformer is about the size of a small grenade?

    • craigvan

      I think Ahmed made a hoax bomb. And never had intention to put explosives in it. That’s illegal for a reason, since one can commit a crime or cause panic with a fake bomb.
      The police were right to investigate that. All he did was change the case. But for seemingly just to make it look like an IED, and no longer be useful as a clock. The school has an obligation to find out if the kid has mental issues.

    • acornwebworks

      But that wouldn’t bust a myth…because there was no bomb.

      • DrunkSpock

        There was a hoax bomb. The myth is that the response to that device was inappropriate. It wasn’t, if anything it was extremely forgiving and permissive. I would have made an example out of any child that would threaten violence and bombs against the other children. No amount of race-baiting or Presidential interference should change that response one little bit.

      • acornwebworks

        Nope. You just have convinced yourself there was. And that is not evidence. Not proof. Just the opinion of someone who has absolutely ZERO first-hand knowledge.

      • DrunkSpock

        His actions and first hand account eliminate all other possibilities. There is no point to modifying a clock to be more like a hoax-bomb unless you intend to use it as a hoax-bomb. Or as a dry-run.

      • Jester

        It would bust the myth that all the whacko lefties appear to be supporting that only an Islamophobic idiot could even think something like that could be used as a bomb.

        When in fact, all it lacked was a metal clip for ignition, and some explosive material. At first glance, that dessicant pack that is stuffed into the mesh netting is unidentifiable, and could easily be a hunk of semtex, enough to take someone’s arm off.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Here is the link to comments from one of the Myth Busters. http://youtu.be/iAvT6iX88-g jump to the 7:00 mark. This guy is a Myth-Promoter, not a Myth-Buster.

    • Ichabod Crain

      “…who hand built a digital clock…” Like “Yea totally – that was my first project too.” Nobody paused for even a second to check the facts. The story was only a few days old back then, and that was how it was.

  • TaiFood

    “I told you one day I’m going to be — and you told me yourself — I’m going to be really big on the Internet one day,” Ahmed said.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150927044105/http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/northwest-dallas-county/headlines/20150926-before-ahmeds-fame-fantastic-inventions-and-a-fight-with-authority.ece

    • Glenn Macbeth

      Wow, this is an incredible find.

      • Jester

        Yes, glad some journalist finally did the kind of digging that only local boots on the ground can do.

        Today I planned to do a more in depth analysis of the various twitter feeds and facebook walls of anyone who knew the family or assisted them in the early days of this incident.

        This part of that article stuck out to me.

        – If you want to know about the boy before the fame, ask Ralph Kubiak: Ahmed’s seventh-grade history teacher and fellow outsider.

        ‘Weird little kid’

        “He was a weird little kid,” said Kubiak, now 62 and retired. “I saw a lot of him in me. That thirst for knowledge … he’s one of those kids that could either be CEO of a company or head of a gang.”

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        … But not an “inventor.”

      • Jester

        He was part of the plot invented to make him the head of a gang though. As he said (paraphrase), “welcome to my movement”.

      • Jester

        By the way, did any one catch the photo of Ralph Kubiak?

        Reminds me of the Unabomber

    • Zardoz

      That teacher is a trip. It’s one thing to teach kids to stand up for themselves. But it’s quite another thing to tell them that “the adults have an agenda” and that “the adults are using you.”

      • Jester

        I noticed that as well. He created a monster and somehow he is being made to explain for his actions in a cosmic twist.

        “Ahmed was as good a disciple as anyone”

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        That’s a bingo too.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        That’s a bingo.

    • Jester

      – “While his discipline record is confidential and his father didn’t want to discuss it, the file was thick by some accounts.”

      • acornwebworks

        “By some accounts” doesn’t mean “it is”.

        And how on earth do you know…or not know…what Ahmed’s father had done or not done? You don’t know these people. At all.

        And if *you* were bullied and not defended, might *you* not have a chip on your shoulder or be passive-aggressive?

        Oh, and there *are* bullies among teachers and administrators. We had one at *our* local school.

      • DrunkSpock

        Ahmed’s story = ‘By the one and only account’.

        So you should chew on your own words there a while. If ‘by some accounts’ don’t mean ‘it is’, why would ‘by one questionable, extremely biased account’ hold any merit at all?

        Do you think 14 y/o’s in trouble don’t know how to lie? Or that they won’t?

    • Back to Bizness

      Um, not a conspiracy. Let’s see, what are the odds of a bratty 14-year-old electronics nerd thinking they’d like to be famous on the internet some day… pretty much 100% I’d say.

      • Jester

        And what are the odds of his father who’s son has been detained and suspended from school regularly, who’s daughter was suspended for making a bomb threat, would encourage his son to bring a device even his son knew looked threateningly like a bomb to class that morning, a device he was not asked to make or bring to school.

        And what would lead the father to claim to the national media that the device was a clock that Ahmed wakes up to most mornings, when Ahmed has repeatedly claimed he made the device out of spare parts laying around the house the night before?

        I could go on, but perhaps you are getting a glimpse of the picture?

      • acornwebworks

        Hmmm. Seems pretty obvious that the odds are great that the father *assumed* his son was bringing the actual clock the kid actually used most every day, not the jerry-rigged “clock” he threw together and *did* bring to school.

        Now, if the kid himself had been claiming he’d used that clock he brought to school to wake up to every morning, you’d certainly have a more-than-valid point. But that’s NOT what he’s been saying.

      • Jester

        Obvious? Not really considering the father apparently knew what Ahmed was bringing in to school, he as much as admitted that in an interview describing his interaction with Ahmed while driving him to school that morning.

      • acornwebworks

        No, Jester. He thought his kid was bringing his regular alarm clock.

        My gosh. You said that yourself in the post I just responded to.

        As in “The father [claimed] to the national media that the device was a clock that Ahmed wakes up to most mornings”. And now you want to deny that…why???

        Got that? The dad thought it was ANOTHER clock.

        Apparently you’ve never heard of Occam’s Razor.

      • Jester

        that was my paraphrase of his answer, and you would realize that if you weren’t so biased towards you agenda.

        Anyway, I reproduced his exact words, which are plain as day, and match up with the report from NBC Dallas Fort worth.

        His father, Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed, said he drove his son to school
        Monday morning and encouraged him to demonstrate his gift for
        technology.
        http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Irving-Student-Says-Hes-Falsely-Accused-of-Making-a-Hoax-Bomb-327794401.html

        Now, pray tell why would Mohamed choose those words to say to his son on the way to school that morning?

        I can’t wait to hear your extraordinarily hilarious rationalization will be.

  • DrunkSpock

    Ahmed reminds me of this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBzWHudBoiA

    Kenny Strausser the non-profit yo-yo man made many media appearances. Never once did he successfully do any tricks.

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      Excellent comparison. KStrass was a comedy provocateur on the level of Andy Kauffman. Brilliant and hilarious. unlike the star of the daywho is only unintentionally funny

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    This may have been posted before, but it hits the mark. I don’t expect any journalists to address these questions with Ahmed, and because the police reports are confidential, Ahmed and his family will skate…for a while. I am going to step away from this for a while but I hope that you all will continue to shine a light on this like you have done so well. http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/23/6-unanswered-questions-about-ahmed-mohameds-clock/

    • Jester

      I posted a few comments underneath that article, there were plenty of readers of the federalist who knew exactly what was going on.

      • acornwebworks

        Nope. There were NOT “plenty of readers who knew exactly what was going on”. There were lots of people…such as you…who simply like to think they knew “exactly what was going on.

      • Jester

        Oh boy, someone forgot to take their meds again. Try looking in the medicine cabinet, not the liquor cabinet.

    • acornwebworks

      First of all, the blogger who wrote this list assumes that the media never asked any of these questions. Why, I wonder, does he assume that?

      Anyway, I’d like to offer quite plausible answers to the questions.

      1: He’s a 14 year old boy who exaggerated…just like practically every other 14 year old boy in America.

      2. The kid was referring to the “clock” he threw together the night before while his father thought he was referring to the actual clock the kid woke up to every morning.

      3. Alarms get mis-set all the time. (My husband is notorious for it in our household.)

      4. Ahmed had already been arrested “for what happened”. His sister could very easily have been trying to protect him. Now, yes, she does seem VERY excited about the attention and certainly does seem to want some for herself. But, since she couldn’t add anything to the Ahmed-Cuban conversation about technological stuff, and since the school incident got him into trouble, she could very well have just been trying to protect him by keeping him saying something that every conspiracy theorist in the world would jump on because they misunderstood it. (It never crossing her mind that they’d jump on *her* for saying anything.)

      5. Just because things you have or know about look “suspicious” doesn’t mean they actually *are* something to be suspicious about. But, in today’s world, it’s best to make at least some effort to make it appear “less suspicious” when out in public.

      6. Because it is their legal right to do so to protect their minor child. Keep in mind that the Mayor is claiming they should release it because *she* believes it “would exonerate the police officers”. (Do keep in mind that the mayor hasn’t seen these reports, either.)

      • omarkos

        I thought you said “plausible”…
        And reports? asking tough questions? About the golden child? C’mon!

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Again, you do not have to be Nostradamus to predict these three things. Ahmed will not sue anyone. We will never see the clock other than the photo we now have. Ahmed never meet the President.

    • Zardoz

      Your first two points sound likely to me. First, if the case ever went to trial, surely the laws of discovery would trump the family’s interests in keeping the official records sealed. Second, a closer examination of the clock would probably confirm the “Ahmed didn’t make it” hypothesis.

      But at this point I don’t see that there’s any political risk to the President from going ahead and meeting the kid.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    And the fourth, I’m afraid, is that the press will not redeem itself anytime soon by work on the story

    • ProfElwood

      I searched for “Ahmed clock” and went through the recent stories, concentrating on ones that were still showing Ahmed in a positive light, or mentioning a “homemade” clock.

      All sites savaged the papers for misleading, even at dailykos. Only TPM still sticks with the Islamaphobic bit, and even they no longer believe the “homemade” clock line.

      Yet, WaPo and seemingly all mainstream outlets still insist on calling it a “homemade” clock. You’ve got to wonder why the can’t seem to admit the obvious now. One site even attempted to throw a little FUD on the matter, by grouping the manufactured clock story in with rare and far-fetched conspiracy theories. The comment section made it plain that the readers weren’t buying it.

      • Zardoz

        My experience discussing this story elsewhere makes me realize that curious people are becoming increasingly marginalized (at best) or viciously denounced (at worst.) In response, “mainstream media” have embraced the new zeitgeist by becoming increasingly trivial.

  • Back to Bizness

    The idea that Ahmed had ulterior motives is not inconsistent with the idea that the school and police overreacted. A bratty science nerd with a persecution complex builds (or “puts”) a clock in an 8-inch pencil case and brings it to school — was he inviting the school to overreact and look like idiots? If so, the school and PD over-obliged, complete with multiple cops, a formal arrest, an interrogation and oh yeah… handcuffs!
    If you don’t side with the left or right, this is a hilarious story; cue circus music.

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      Or if you side with neither side and side with the truth then it’s a media circus.

      • Back to Bizness

        … in which somehow the media manages to be both organ grinder and dancing monkey at the same time.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I needed that laugh.

    • DrunkSpock

      What should they do to terrorists? Hugs and ice cream? Police/school response was 100% appropriate. The only thing I fault them for was dropping charges. It was obviously a hoaxbomb. Maybe there wasn’t sufficient evidence at the time, but there is now…

      • acornwebworks

        There certainly is NOT “sufficient evidence” that he deliberately created a hoax BOMB. I’d tend to agree with you if you said a hoax “invented clock”. But creating *that* wouldn’t be against the law.

        Like it or not, the prosecution has to prove INTENT regarding a hoax BOMB. And, like it or not, changing stories does not equate to INTENT. Heck, it doesn’t even equate to lying.

      • DrunkSpock

        His motivation is clear. His only modification to the clock was to make it more of a hoax-bomb and less of a clock. There is no other way to interpret his actions.

      • Jester

        Yes, there is enough circumstantial evidence to claim probable cause for arrest and then take 72 hours for deeper investigation to eventually find more evidence to prove intent and convince a prosecutor to press charges.

      • acornwebworks

        Nope. There isn’t ANY “circumstantial evidence”. After all, interpreting things through convoluted cherry-picking and ignoring more likely interpretations isn’t evidence.

        And, since the kid obviously isn’t running for the hills or being a threat to anyone, there’s no need to arrest him and hold him for 72 hours in order for a “deeper investigation” to occur. So why do *you* think his his arrest is necessary for the police to do “deeper investigation”?

      • Jester

        You can’t be serious but you probably are. Let me break it down real easy for you. When a person makes a statement and that statement is recorded with their consent, that statement may be considered admissible evidence toward proving they committed a crime.

        And you further reveal your ignorance claiming the kid “obviously isn’t running for the hills”.

        Uh, right because he has been cleared of charges and is on a 1 week international scam-a-thon defrauding millions of people with his shameless prevarications and fabrications (I know how you hate the word “lies”), and assisting the neo-Bolshevik propaganda media machine in further demonizing white Christian conservative Americans both in the US and around the world.

        But if he were to be arrested again, and released immediately to his Father pending investigation to provide the prosecutor with enough evidence for charges, he would be an extreme flight risk as is father has already pulled his other children from local schools, and his first allegiance is obviously to his country of origin that he ran to be president of twice in the last 5 years.

        In most states police can hold someone for 72 hours prior to charging them with a crime.

        I am not saying this will happen. But if I were the Chief and I had all these recent admissions, contradictions, and lies in hand, Ahmed would be in cuffs again and the family house turned upside down, and the results brought into a very tidy package to the D.A.

      • acornwebworks

        No. It’s NOT “clear”. You just happen to WANT to believe this was his motivation.

      • DrunkSpock

        I’d like to imagine any other way to look at the circumstances but there is none. It could only be a hoax bomb.

  • smith
  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Or if you side with neither side and side with the truth then it’s a media circus.

  • Bill S

    Other people may be looking over your shoulder.

    http://irvingblog.dallasnews.com/author/aselk/

    • Jester

      That blogger Avi Selk is a buffoon. Choosing the easiest angle to “debunk”, while missing the forest for the trees. And if you look at the comment section, he was savaged by his readers.

      First of all, The Twin Towers office park is a complex housing many diverse businesses. There was no requirement to name the transportation company after the name of the place they share office space in. But more importantly this speaks to the lack of awareness and cultural sensitivity of these brazen Islamists who can’t be bothered caring how anyone perceives them.

      Interestingly enough, there are 10 businesses located at 1418 N Story Rd Irving, TX 75061, which is Twin Towers Corporation’s main address and mailing address, according to Bizapedia.

      There are also 10 different officers listed. Each of them an alias based off of Mohamed ElHassan Mohamed’s name, or his brother’s name, Aldean Mohammed.

      Aldean Mohamed
      Eaz Aldean Mohemd
      Izz Hassan
      E. Mohamed
      Ali Mohamed
      Aldean Mohamad
      Ali Mohammed
      Aldean Mohamead
      Mohamed Mohamed
      Mohammed Elhassan

      This guy is a world class scammer.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        You nailed it jester. Selk is an insult to journalism. He attempts to tar all skeptics as kooks by pointing to crazy talk about demons. By the way, am I kooky to observe that photo of the Sikh professor from Columbia tweeted shown on Avi’s page has the hands set to 9:12 (see, it’s not 9:11 he would say) that professor offers a class in America’s reactions to 911. I stand with Ahmed…for sure he does.

      • Algoria

        Your observation is correct, not kooky at all. There is no way this Sikh professor did this by accident. “Simran Jeet Singh is an assistant professor in the Department of Religion at Trinity University. Simran’s recent scholarship and public engagement at the Sikh Coalition also engages issues of xenophobia, racial profiling and hate violence in our post 9/11 America“. [from his Trinity University blurb] After getting some flak for this visual reference to 9/11 he issued this backpedaling disclaimer:

        Simran Jeet Singh ‏@SimranColumbia 6h6 hours ago
        I do not support any mockery of 9/11. The clock reads 9:13 because that’s what time we took the photo. Apologies for any misinterpretation.

        To claim it was set at 9:13 is obviously baloney. As Groucho said, “Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?” So I enlarged the view and using a ruler measured the location of the minute hand. The time seems to be about 9:11 and 30 seconds. This was no coincidence.

        I first saw the picture of the Sikh comedian with his clock here: http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2015/09/those-moderate-153.html

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Selk also claims that he debunked Anthony’s theory. Selk does this how? He says Ahmed stated that he spent 20 minutes soldering parts together that is what the photo shows . Seriously. That’s it. What a tool. Disinformation is the currency of the day for the press.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Jester… Do we know if the Mohamed business is a tenant of the Twin Towers office complex? That’s a critical point. If it’s not, then the reason for naming it Twin Towers is highly highly suspicious.

      • Jester

        From the limited amount of info I could find on the internet, that is where they run daily operations out of.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Thanks. Appreciate your follow-up

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      We welcome Selk’s scrutiny. He would never in a million years mention this site for the reasons below. He is noise to jam the frequency.

    • witnesstothecarnage

      Hi Bill! Ready to show us a little proof of the creds you claim? Or, did you edit them out?

      Remember me? The “dense” “idiot” who “rambled” about solder joints? I’m still ready to compare my work to yours. 2 pics each… pretty simple way to get me to STFU, as you suggested I do (with all the force a keyboard could bring to bear)…

      Grab a scrap board, and heat up your iron. Be thinking of a 4 digit number to trade with mine, so we can keep this honest.

      LOL!

  • Jester

    Ok, I just spent an hour reading through @anildash twitter feed on and around the 15, 16th when he posted the photo taken by Ahmed’s sister of Ahmed in handcuffs.

    I was going to try to discern which of the many respondents might be close to Ahmed or Eyman, and then check their twitter feeds to see what chatter might reveal about inside scoops or hints.

    There were literally thousands of messages. Mostly in favor of Ahmed and Anil.

    But I had to give up after 45 minutes or so of reading. It began to make me ill. To see such a large concentration of uneducated, grossly ignorant people all braying their self centered and motivated opinions in an act of emotional masturbation was just too much. I feel like I lost half my IQ points (with little to spare) and need a shower and a walk in the woods.

    How in the world did my country become full of a literal army of ignorant and destructive fools?

    Oh, and I went to Prajwol/Ru’s twitter (@OfficialPrajwol), because he was the other person who Eyman Mohamed sent her photo to directly. In a comment a few days ago I documented him answering the direct question of Matthew Harwood, plainly stating that Eyman Mohamed was the photographer. They went back and forth for 3 or 4 replies.

    Since then, that entire exchange has been scrubbed from Twitter.

    The Devil’s minions are playing for keeps.

  • PoeticJustice

    When the principal and a police officer pulled Ahmed out of class, he was led into a room where four other officers were waiting to interrogate him. Ahmed said an officer he’d never seen before leaned back in his chair and remarked: “Yup. That’s who I thought it was.”

    • Jester

      His reputation proceeds him.

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      Assuming Ahmed is truthful, which is the issue of the above article. That statement is ambiguous. You can infer profiling. Or even believe that Deputy Fife said ” yup” part. I believe that racism exists. Do you believe Ahmed did not intend to provoke this incident?

      • omarkos

        Or you can infer that he has had previous disciplinary problems and possibly run-ins with the police.

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      He said “yup”? If you believe Ahmed that is. Surprised Ahmed didn’t say he said and “see what we have here son is failure to communicate.”

    • DrunkSpock

      According to, and only to, his account of events. Evidence makes it clear the boy was lying and the whole family is prepared to continue being deceptive, acting like the police wont give them back the boys hoax-bomb when they’ve made every attempt to do so.

      If Ahmed’s family will not allow the school board to release their version of events, I don’t care what further lies he comes up with to justify his act of terrorism.

      • omarkos

        That’s the thing about this case. The ONLY information getting out is Ahmed’s own version of events. With which he has clearly incriminated himself multiple times. Yet most of the world still thinks he is a “genius inventor” and “victim of ilsamaphobia”. As the Mayor said recently. “He’s already told the press a lot more than he ever told the Police”.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Get this. The guy who started the #IStandWithAhmed was involved with a false racial harassment claim by a Muslim student I believe at the University of Texas. Arlington. You can’t make this stuff up. I will link when I get the chance, google away if you can

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    something just struck me. The case is damaged, bent on one side. There is no indication that Anyone did that damage. From my perspective believe that the latch would not align properly and was inoperable when Ahmed inserted the clock guts. Ahmed could not close it, and he realized that it, by his own words, would look suspicious and a threat. What he means is that if he took it to class in an open state, it would look suspicious and a threat. His explanation about using the cable has puzzled me for sometime. Maybe This was obvious to you. It just struck me now.

    • DrunkSpock

      My suspicion is that the bent case was to allow more noise to escape the hoax-bomb when it is activated.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Interesting thought. Makes sense. that would be invention worthy.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        And again, “diabolically clever, Ahmed. ” Thanks Dr Oz for the quote that keeps on giving.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I’d bet a brew the cord almost fits through the mangled part of the case.

        I also bet it almost latched. We all know that wrapping wire around the case did nothing to make it less suspicious… it just helped keep the contents hidden when the cord was deployed.

        I swear, I’d pay good money to see if the backup battery’s leads are now connected to the buzzer’s leads, to fire off a separate explosives pack.

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      And maybe, the case was the scraps Ahmed refers to. Broken useless junk.

    • Jester

      It was pointed out that in the photo taken by the police, there is some amount of electrical tape around the portion of the AC cord exactly where it leads out of the box near the latch.

      The speculation is that it was reinforced there, so that when the case was closed on it, it would not as easily pinch the wire.

      I first speculated that bend in the lower left side could have been the place he decided to pull the cord through.

      Then Ahmed said this in an interview with Rolling Stone: Wilmore then asked why he wanted to build a clock: “It was something really simple to me.” Did he have to look up instructions? “No, the only thing I had to look up was the receipt for the box.”

      Some have speculated the box itself could be one of the “scrap” parts he was referring to.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Dang, that Rolling Stone. How far it’s fallen. Used to rely on it to expose the lies of the power structure. I would challenge them to do better, but after they got raked over the coals for their hoax rape story, they don’t want to point the finger at anyone. Wilmore’s on the Do Not Watch list too.

      • DrunkSpock

        For me he’s been there since the first episode when he stated ‘i only vote for black people’. Racism is racism is racism, regardless of skin tone of the person spewing it. I tried to give him a chance but the show is just terrible.

      • Jester

        But what do you all think Ahmed meant by his answer to that question?

        Q. Did he have to look up instructions?

        A. “No, the only thing I had to look up was the receipt for the box.”

      • DrunkSpock

        Yeah that doesn’t make sense to me, I should have a look at that wilmore interview, I was avoiding it for reasons stated above. Off hand I can not think of any information about the pencil case that the receipt adds to. Could be misdirection, misspoke, or pre-cleared ‘clean’ answer.

        Lol, maybe his expenses were being reimbursed? *facepalm*

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Nothing, at this point, would surprise me.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        It is nonsense. I think that Ahmed cannot articulate reasons for much of his story, and he is afraid to say too much when he veers off script. Exactly like the interview where he showed a circuit-board and pointed to the transformer and then for the rest of it says this is …you know what I’m talking about”. It’s like a kid who is talking until he realizes he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and just trails off into a mumbl3.

      • Jester

        This is called prevaricating. A sub category of a lie.

    • witnesstothecarnage

      It appears the case was closed, at least once, with interference between the display and the transformer. The display shows a slight dent in the plastic, that seems to be the same size as the coil spool.

      Too bad the kid couldn’t solder wires of a proper length between the components, and mount them where they wouldn’t touch each other when closed… too bad he only had 20 mins to “impress the world”.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        You have to wonder about the fact that the ribbon cable is flexed every time the “clock” is opened (to actually see the display, and grab the loose and unmarked button board, so you can operate the buttons).

        The ribbon is NOT meant to be flexed much more than a few times. It will take many more, but damage begins early (right where the solder ends, and the wires become flexible.

        I have to wonder about the huge difference in the numbers of cycles needed to operate this device as a clock… and as a bomb timer.

        I submit, for fun, that this device is far more likely to meet it’s needed service life as a bomb timer than as a clock.

  • Jester

    Before it falls off the page, I have to repost the link to this article Taifood put up earlier. It is a decent piece of journalism where the author found some interesting and predictable facts about Ahmed’s past as a prankster, a rebel, and someone with a chip on his shoulder.

    Before Ahmed’s fame: fantastic inventions and a fight with authority

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/northwest-dallas-county/headlines/20150926-before-ahmeds-fame-fantastic-inventions-and-a-fight-with-authority.ece

    • Glenn Macbeth

      One thing in the story that is confusing is that Ahmed is credited with producing numerous homemade and improvised inventions, yet there’s no current evidence that he has possesses any actual technical ability.

      • Jester

        an ex teacher of his claims he used to bring in gadgets to school that he claimed to have made. He was in the robotics club in his JHS. We have no physical proof that he ever made anything, but alot of anecdotal and circumstantial evidence supports that he is a tinkerer and builder of things electronic and otherwise.

        But, that makes this even more suspicious. That with all that background, the first thing he would bring into his new highschool to “impress” his teachers and new friends would be a piece of shit that he threw together in 20 minutes the night before.

        now he is claiming that he has built and soldered CPU’s, and that making his hoax bomb was really easy compared to those “complicated things”.

        Despite what I don’t know about him, I do know he is generally full of himself, and full of shit.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIfyhQ3Vr3A

      • DrunkSpock

        Anyone who questions the plausibility of soldering CPU’s is obviously an Islamaphobe.

      • Jester

        Over at Godlikeproductions, a very technical debate ensued where experts were discussing exactly what that entails, and it seemed highly unlikely that he was soldering CPU chips with any regularity, a regularity which is required to become competent in that arena. Specialized tools seem a must, and there is alot more to it.

      • TaiFood

        That discussion would involve some VERY generous technical folks considering the body of contradictions and this article’s author brilliant insights so early after the story went viral.

        Soldering CPU’s as the teen stated holding up a Surface Mount Technology SMT circuit board that he identified in another interview as a digital media recorder.

        While this could have been a “teachable” incident his constant unchecked lies must be countered.

      • omarkos

        I love this story. Mostly because it is so balanced and doesn’t seem to take sides.
        On the one hand it is somewhat exculpatory in that it confirms that Ahmed really was a bright, inquisitive student, and that he enjoyed “tinkering” with electronics. It doesn’t say directly, but I gathered that he also has a habit of taking apart household electronics and bringing the guts to school claiming them to be “inventions” (…the “home-made” remote control…). Which is also somewhat exculpatory, given that this was no “isolated incident”.
        But there is another side of Ahmed that you can take away from this as well. The outsider with few friends who craves attention from his teachers (good attention or bad attention…either way). The disruptive kid who has a thick disciplinary folder and spent much of his middle-school academic career on detention or suspension. The defiant kid, mentored by his hippy-liberal History Teacher to defy authority and assert his rights.
        This sets up perfectly the scenario that he was anxious to “test the waters” of his new school and find out how much he could get away with. This was my initial reaction to the whole story; a kid simply craving attention.

        Then comes the CAIR conspiracies that this was a setup from the beginning and those are quite plausible given the father’s history of media stunts and his apologetics for Islam. And given the fact that his father was aware of the device and supposedly please to have him show it at school. On the other hand, his father is a known media hound and may have just inserted himself into a story he had nothing to do with.
        Also of note is the Ahmed magical mystery tour seems to have converted him of late from “budding young inventor” to “champion of the downtrodden”.

        There is no question that the device was designed to look like a bomb. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply delusional. Still I think that the most plausible explanation is a disruptive defiant little boy who craves attention pulling one of his “patented pranks” at his new school. Which his new school found none too cute. I won’t discount, however, that it was a pre-planned publicity stunt with the complicity of his family and CAIR.
        I’m about 50/50 either way, but in any event I stand with the police and school officials. I think they gave this kid every benefit of the doubt before he forced their hand call the authorities; not because they were “afraid of his device” but he was being disruptive and was committing a crime under 48.06 in the process. School officials are generally not given discretion to ignore crimes being committed on campus.

      • Jester

        well said. If it wasn’t a conscious and pre-meditated decision on the part of Father and perhaps CAIR, then they did everything in their power out of their sheer self-absorbed thoughtless insensitive ignorance to create the circumstances for this to LOOK LIKE A CONSPIRACY.

        Father obviously did nothing to forecast a problem, despite the universe throwing so many hints at him, he should have seen this coming in his sleep if he had any reason about him.

        It is as if the Father never knew Ahmed’s history from JHS, never knew kids called him a “bomb maker” or “terrorist”, never knew his own daughter was suspended for making a bomb threat, never imagined that Muslims are naturally under a bit more scrutiny for obvious reasons, forgot that 2 jihadists shot people to death a month ago just 20 miles away at an art show, forgot it was the anniversary of 9-11, and I could go on but I figure anyone but someone from Mohamed’s family will get my drift by now.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Thoughtful post, Omarkos. I would mention that you might also consider that a Dallas reporter reported that Ahmed’s father drove him to school that morning and encouraged him to share his gift for technology. Coincidence?…ambiguous?…or complicit?

    • omarkos

      Something’s not right. Ahmed’s father has been in the US for 35 years. How is it that Ahmed could not speak English when he entered middle school?

      Note: he never once struck me as a non-native-speaker.

      • Jester

        Only the CIA truly knows the history of this family in all its detail.

  • Jester

    Brooklyn Boro (NYC) President Eric Adams panders to Brooklyn’s Islamists.

    https://twitter.com/NYPDMuslim/status/648573775383015424?lang=en

    Eric Adams claims “I will buy one of Ahmed’s Clocks”

    https://twitter.com/BPEricAdams/status/648585013416587264?lang=en

    NYPD MOS (Muslims Officer Society) tweets that NYC public advocate proclaims “Ahmed Day”

    https://twitter.com/NYPDMuslim/status/648572869912473600?lang=en

    • DrunkSpock

      ‘Ahmed day’… Embarrassing. And these are detectives? Do some detecting please, even a little will do.

      • Jester

        Unfortunately, I am a Jersey Boy too close to NYC for comfort as we speak. 3 cousins NYPD. 2 retired and fled the city for rural Florida and they have been back to visit once in like 5 years. I pray for my escape route every day, and these tards are the reason.

  • gt00004

    ‘“This wouldn’t have happened if Ahmed were white,” they say.’

    This statement puzzles me. Ahmed IS White. As I, and any other immigrant to the U.S., probably knows, when you’re asked for your race on the immigration forms you fill out, there are various races listed along with their descriptions. The listing for “White” goes something like:

    White (Caucasian): Anyone from any of the various ethnic groups originating in Europe, the Middle-East, or north Africa.

    Ahmed is ethnically from somewhere in the Middle-East, therefore White.

    • omarkos

      You have just won the prize for the stupidest post of the day. Ahmed is from Sudan in central east AFRICA (not the middle east). The ethnicity of east Africans (Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia) is not as cut-and-dried as other areas of the world, as Arabs have intermarried with native Africans there for many centuries, but one look at Ahmed and you can clearly see that he is not “white”. That’s nonsense. You must be one of those “race is a social construct” types.

      • Algoria

        I don’t think he was saying race is a social construct. He said Ahmed is Caucasian which he may well be, although unfortunately gt0004, like many people, used the term “white” as if they were interchangeable. Many people from India for example have far darker skin than him but they are considered Caucasian. To think we should determine race by skin color is unscientific to say the least.

        Speaking of science, the know-it-all scientists of the 19th century said there were three races. Later some decided there are 4, 5, or even 8 main races or more. [African, Arctic, American Indian, Caucasoid, Northeast Asian, Oceanian, Pacific Island and Southeast Asian]. This is a very vague science. It is complicated even more by the fact that there are over 30 main sub-groups branching off from these main groups.

        You mentioned the intermarrying of Arabs and Africans in Sudan. So does this make them of the “African” race? This illustrates some of the absurdity of many of our attempts to categorize everybody this way. For example, the President is half “white” and half “black.” In the minds of many he is therefore “black”, which seems to be his view as well. Most Americans would agree with him and it seems to have worked out for him okay. The race card probably helped get him elected. To some extent this is a race-obsessed world. I agree with MLK that it would be better if we could assess each other by some better standards such as behavior and character.

        In the end of course this has little to do with race anyway. Islam is a religion, not as race. His supporters claim Ahmed was mistreated because he is a Muslim (and secondarily because he’s brown). Others say he was taken into custody because he brought a tiny suitcase containing a Hollywood-style countdown clock, with lots of wires sticking out, to school, was told by his science teacher to put the device away and declined to do so, and eventually caused it to start beeping during his English class.

        As for Islamophobia, this site lists 26974 attacks carried out around the world by Islamic terrorists since 9/11.
        http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/thelist.htm
        http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
        Concern about Islamist terrorism is not necessarily a phobia.

      • omarkos

        Agree 100%. Sorry for calling your post “stupid”. But Sudan is really not “somewhere in the Middle-East”…

        Ahmed looks more Arab than East-African I will admit.

      • Algoria

        You’re right about Sudan and his appearance as well.
        However, it wasn’t my comment you called “stupid” – that was gt00004 so perhaps you owe him an apology instead.
        Not that I haven’t written some stupid comments in my day. : )

      • omarkos

        OH!! So it’s still stupid?

      • Algoria

        I didn’t think so but you’re the one who called it stupid so I guess you’ll have to make up your own mind on that.

      • TaiFood

        Or Indian or Aussie Native or Indonesian or American

      • ProfElwood

        Race is meaningless, as far as I can tell. Or maybe it’s more accurate to say that it has meaning, only because people think it has meaning.

        We all interbreed.

      • Algoria

        It isn’t all-important as some try to make it. It’s a complicated subject. I think your last sentence says a lot. We are all of the same species.
        There are obviously physical differences among the various people groups though. “Race” or a term like it will therefore probably be in use for a long time to come. I suppose that makes “race” not completely meaningless, even though the net result of using such terms has often been harmful.

        One thing that is important to me is that we not judge each other by the color of our skin (or other outward features.) It isn’t necessary to deny that there are any differences among people at all in order to try to treat others fairly.

        There are racists, and then there are people who falsely accuse others of racism. I am not a racist but we also must try to be careful not to give an opportunity to the race card players.

      • Jester

        When you encounter a situation that has raised your sense of danger, and are then faced with assessing the people involved, initially all you have to go on are the external features. Skin tone and facial features likely indicates cultural or regional origin, hair style and dress likely indicates associations, eyes and mouth movement, posture and body language likely indicates demeanor and current intent.

        It is not enough to draw a full conclusion, but we MUST profile people on those externals and then compare that to our knowledge base in order to draw inferences, in order to inform ourselves how much our suspicions should be heightened and perhaps further on guard and scrutinizing.

        If a person does not instinctively do these things, their survival instincts have been short circuited by self loathing and unnecessary guilt and shame they have accepted without cause, thus abdicating their discriminatory faculties rendering them a perfect victim.

      • Algoria

        There’s a difference between racism, (judging others according to their race or skin color), and profiling. I didn’t mention profiling. My replies were already getting a little long and the topics of race and racism are complex enough.

        Since you brought it up, I’m in favor of profiling when it’s done using the right methods and for the right reasons. To look at an 80 year old woman in a wheel chair at an airport with the same or greater scrutiny than a young man of Middle Eastern ethnicity makes no sense. Political correctness in matters of security is stupid. Bear in mind however that more and more converts to Islam are being radicalized so profiling is not any guarantee.

        Racism is another matter. Some people hate or at least despise those of other races or ethnic groups. It exists in all cultures although the current trend is to say it is a problem among white people only. Yet I think there may be more racial hatred directed toward whites than other races. However, no matter which group is the most racist, racism is not helpful.

        Very little of this applies to Islam because it is a religion, not a race.

      • TaiFood

        Keep in mind we have to keep mindful of history i.e. Japanese Internment camps of which I would have been forced into.

        Yet even then the Americans of Japanese descent, 50% of them understood the knee jerk hysteria. The fact that we didn’t protect their property or otherwise completely disintegrate their rights still boggles my mind. This situation is NOT relevant to that discussion, but stating for the horizon of using -isms versus profiling.

      • Algoria

        I agree that the internment and confiscation of property were an overreaction to Pearl Harbor. I can understand why the American and Canadians did this but I don’t condone it. Of course the initial Japanese attack on the US was an act of unprovoked aggression, as well as a huge miscalculation, on their part.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Well put.

        It might be good to remember that 9/11 was compared to Pearl Harbor, in some appropriate ways… and Pearl Harbor was the first “Pearl Harbor”.

        The fact that America didn’t start rounding up, and interring Muslims, on 9/12, should give the race baiters pause… but, facts rarely do…

        I agree that the fact that “we” didn’t protect the assets of those we detained to be the real crime. That embarrasses me, and I wasn’t alive then.

      • Jester

        I did not have a problem with what you wrote. I suppose when you said it was important not to judge each other by externals that prompted me to write what I did. But I appreciate your nuanced understanding of the matter of race and racism. I believe that many people in favor of segregation are not racists in the sense of having deep animosity for all individuals of another race, they are just realists who recognize what has now born out in reality, that different races come attached to long standing cultural and practical differences which are more often then not incompatible and appear genetically imprinted as well. And thus while being able to live peaceably along side one another under the right conditions, those conditions should include separate societies so each group can be themselves without artificial restraints and pressures to conform to ways and mores they cannot relate to.

      • Algoria

        I wish I did understand the problems presented by race and racism better. It’s complicated and I see no easy solutions. Even if there were solutions, who is going to implement them? Not the UN!

        I’m a Christian and I see that individuals can change with the help of God, but with nations and ethnic groups it’s a whole different ballgame. It often seems to take huge upheavals and turmoil before things get better. Then they get worse again.

        The trouble with the “separate but equal” racial segregation policy in the US and apartheid in South Africa was that it meant racial discrimination – in employment, housing, use of facilities and so on. The racial situation in America has become worse again since the arrival of Obama, but for now we’ll just have to make the best of a bad situation, unless you can come up with something.

        Maybe if each ethnic group had its own sovereign territory ceded to them there might be racial peace (for a while), but who would oversee this process? Again, not the UN!
        After we solve the racial problem, how about we tackle war next, or would you rather do hunger and poverty first?

      • Jester

        Heady stuff to consider no doubt. After a day of wrangling with supporters of out and out evil, I need to take some time to feel into my heart before any more deep thought and sleep on it!

      • ProfElwood

        Personally, I’d start by outlawing all racial classifications, at least on government forms. I’m in one of those “protected minorities”, but answer all questions of race with “other” whenever possible. I believe an honest assessment would show that to be accurate for at least 80% of people.

      • gt00004

        Thanks for the response, but I think people are making this out to be much more complex than it is.

        First, White IS interchangeable with Caucasian. Read what I said in my original post above. Anyone immigrating to the U.S. having to complete the proper paperwork, as well as anyone who has seen a work application – the section in which they ask about the applicant’s race (this comes from the government too) – knows that the definition of White/Caucasian (they are the same thing) is anyone whose origin is from the Middle-East, Europe, North Africa. PERIOD. Yes, there are some other people who think there are 8 or 20 races. However, this is defined as such by the government because this is the well-accepted, widely-accepted, and thus widely-understood model. You can try to re-define what the term “White” means, however, it already has a proper definition (Caucasian), and this causes confusion.

        Secondly, I only made the post because I was puzzled by the fact that some individuals made comments implying that Ahmed is not White, that he is of some “Brown” race, etc. My intention was just to straighten out some facts. Yes, people can judge him by his appearance. This is not because he is not White – it is because he is a White person of a different ethnicity than most U.S. White people (different types of White people can often be told apart).

        HOWEVER, as for him being from Sudan, I did not realize that, so that post has less meaning now; not knowing where his family was from, I was only judging by his looks, which only goes to show that sometimes it is difficult to tell from looks which of the five races someone belongs to. So, him being from the middle of Africa, I suppose he could be classified as either White, Black, or mixed. Still, the general principle of my point stands.

      • gt00004

        Also, India is in Asia. So if there are those who classify Indians as Caucasians, they are in fact wrong as Indians are Asians.

      • Algoria

        We’re getting off topic here, but here’s a dictionary definition of “race”. A race is a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits.

        It is not determined by the geographical location in which people live, although of course the various races have historically lived in specific regions. Stop and think – if the people of one race migrated to a faraway place would that change their race?

        The Caucasian race (also Caucasoid or occasionally Europid) is a taxon historically used to describe the physical or biological type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. (Wikipedia)

        That includes India.

      • gt00004

        If I believed race is based on SOCIAL constructs, why did I say in my post that one’s race depends on the physical ORIGIN of one’s ancestors, which cannot be changed socially.

        You must be one of those “lack of reading comprehension” types.

      • omarkos

        No, actually I’m one of those “Sudan is not in the Middle East types”. I read just fine. You called Ahmed “white” which is laughable.

      • Jester

        But it is accurate according to the definitions used in America to denote race ever since the census began keeping track of such things and those classifications were popularized.

        It is hard to generalize in many Northeast African nations, like Kenya for example where you will find every shade of brownish from the interbreeding of indigenous black africans, arabs, and far east asians as well.

        Yet if not stereotypically black african, all Semitic Arabs, Semitic Jews, Arabians proper, and “North” Africans are considered “White”.

        When people who don’t know these “official” definitions usually only refer to Nordics or Caucasians as Whites.

      • gt00004

        Thank you! That’s all I was trying to state.

        Although I have to admit, I’ve been living in the U.S. for some time now, and I’ve never heard anyone only refer to Nordic people as White. That’s just bizarre if you think about it, because if I’m not mistaken, most Whites in the U.S. derive from Scotland or Ireland, and most of the people from those countries are of Celtic origin, not Norse. Hence, most Whites in America could not be called White if one stated to define White as “only Nordic people”. Strange…

      • Jester

        I mentioned Nordic and Caucasian because generally that was who populated the whole of Europe that actually had white skin, but forgot the Celtics.

      • omarkos

        It was meant as a joke, because saying that Ahmed is from the Middle East an therefore white is kind of a joke, since he’s from Africa and black.

      • gt00004

        Gods have mercy…look, mate, I mean you no offense; but please try to understand this before one of us dies.

        I did not type that White/Caucasian people are FROM the Middle-East; if you look carefully, I typed “anyone from any of the various ETHNIC groups ORIGINATING FROM the Middle-East, Europe, etc”. This is different.

        For instance, I’m European; let’s say I moved to Hong Kong with a White woman from Spain, for instance, and we had a child there. That child would not be racially Asian – even though he is FROM Asia – because ethnically he derives from ethnotypes ORIGINATING FROM Europe. So he would be White…even though he is FROM Asia. Get it?

        Now, I assumed Ahmed was from the Middle-East. Wrongly. I’ve mentioned already that I didn’t know he was from the middle of Africa. So he is FROM Africa. Does that make him Black? Not necessarily. Where does his ANCESTRY hail from? – that’s the determining factor of his race. And I don’t pretend to know that. I have no idea. I only assumed Middle-East because of his appearance.

        I was only trying to point out what “White” really means, because some here were apparently missing that.

      • omarkos

        Relax. Get over it. Sorry for calling your post stupid.

      • gt00004

        No need to apologize, mate, there’s nothing to “get over”, I wasn’t upset. I was simply trying to explain something because you didn’t understand it. If I came across as angry, that wasn’t my intention, so no worries.

  • DrunkSpock

    Interesting disection of the Ahmed hoax-bomb fiasco here:

    http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/09/28/me-kk-this-is-not-islamophobia/

    It does a good job of staying objective and impartial.

    • Jester

      thanks for that link. Apparently the shills supporting Mohamed and son’s con over here have been put in their place, time to patrol new ground.

    • TaiFood

      It is interesting that the Stanford student is still unaware of the “home made” and all the other contradictions of this story yet still believes the teen should be apologized to.

      • DrunkSpock

        They have a nice Natural Language Processing library. Too bad they aren’t using it on Ahmed’s lies, I imagine it would turn up some interesting results.

  • ProfElwood

    I’m beginning to think that the response was a planned setup (I’m not saying that they were working with the Mohammads, since any similar story would have worked). It worked beautifully in the Indiana RFRA fiasco, which was also a cry of discrimination that was backed by media, large corporations, and public officials. It was also a carefully planned blitz meant to blindside the opposition.

    This looks a lot like a play from same book, but in this case, they didn’t have a target that could fold to the pressure.

  • TaiFood

    Winston Churchill’s courage and wisdom matters today, too

  • James

    First off, this child probably smoked a little WEED before this project because this clock is trash. Secondly, I believe the police did nothing wrong because if some dark kid brought a briefcase with wires and crap. I would put that kid into a stranglehold and make him tell me if he is a Commie or a Nazi because y’all should that no kid should ever be bringing sure trash into a school.

    • ProfElwood

      Well, I certainly hope you’re not an official in my school system.
      I hate it when people mention color as a factor. It wasn’t.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Because Ahmed’s family will not release the school and police information, and the teachers are prohibited from talking about it, we have little information about the use of the device. I submit that if the “clock” case was closed when Ahmed plugged in the power cord and set off the alarm in the last class after his science teacher told him it looked like a bomb, then can anyone explain to me what Ahmed might have been trying to do other than provoke a reaction. Especially since he himself states that in his previous school he was called a terrorist and his sister stated she also had been suspended by a bomb threat. the only exonerating explanation is Ahmed is a moron. He may not be Tesla, but he is not a moron.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    It seems that the biggest fallback position of the Ahmed defenders is ” why wasn’t the school evacuated?” The biggest red herring of the all.

    • Jester

      Yes, when you stop and think about it, the adults in the school beginning with the science teacher really went the extra mile to be realistic, to diffuse the situation, and to keep the event from needlessly affecting the other 800 or so people in that building. It seems very safe to make an educated guess that the Principal encountered the famous Ahmed Attitude from the get go, and realized this kid was willing to cross the line and test the school so it was time to oblige Ahmed and call the cops. The cops gave him every chance to be forthcoming and Ahmed refused.

      When the family and CAIR attempt to use the “Art of the Deal” and threaten a costly time consuming lawsuit, with the actual goal of winning a massive cash settlement and thus the appearance of guilt by the school, Irving should call their bluff and say “see you in court”. With everything we know, the City of Irving may spend a pretty penny to defend themselves, but they will not only win but will likely have plenty of ammo to counter sue for malicious prosecution and take the family to the cleaners.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I think your point is well taken, that the school attempted to Keep the situation from Keep the situation from needlessly affecting the rest of the school. It would have been interesting to see The actual line of questioning from school authorities and police to Ahmed. The fact that Ahmed essentially stonewalled by repeating it’s a crock indicates to me that he was extremely savvy. I do not mean to say that I believe that people have any obligation to answer police questions because it is a right not to, however for this child to do so under the circumstances by not invoking his right to silence, but instead by repeating a statement over and overIndicates to me the likelihood that he was prepared for this, and probably coached by his father and/or his sister.

      • omarkos

        Agreed. That is the one aspect of the case that does point towards conspiracy. Until…. I read about how he “asserted his 1st amendment rights” in detention. Then I thought; “maybe this kid really was savvy enough to think of that himself.”

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        He knows he has rights, so he’s savvy to that extent. Sticking to a single statement that is disingenuous but not incriminatory…that’s pretty sophisticated stuff without coaching.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Cue Dr Oz…”diabolically clever, Ahmed.”

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    And one more thing…getting to the truth is one huge thing, but I go back to the second to the last paragraph of Anthony’s article above. It nails it. But I would add that the reason for knee jerk reactions is that the press is not investigating and reporting. It is only sensationalizing. It is our first defense, and instead of defending truth, it is sabotaging it. It is the shame of the century as far as I am concerned. I am old enough to remember when the press has some integrity.

    • TaiFood

      Re: Press sensationaling and not reporting or doing the job of journalism…spot on.

      I posted that cartoon that was submitted in April 21023 in Time Mag. Happened across it surfing the political cartoons of the week.

      One of Winston Churchill’s many famous quotations includes:

      “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on”

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Brilliant words. And I hadn’t seen the cartoon you posted until now. That is truly brilliant, and quite funny and sad at the same time.Thanks.

    • omarkos

      Same thing happened last year with the Tahmooressi case. And I became equally obsessed with trying to get the truth out in that case.

      I know I am probably among conservatives here (and maybe in the minority), but I was appalled at how FOX News and other outlets sensationalized the story and lionized the kid. He was caught bringing guns into friggin’ MEXICO where they lock you up for that. I mean…there is a lot more incriminating evidence against the kid that need not be discussed here, but it was, from the beginning a made-up story. Not that the kid wasn’t really in a Mexican jail and in dire straits, but that he was somehow being unfairly persecuted, and deserving of special treatment.

      There are about 100 Americans locked up for that every year, but all the right-wing media healines were like: “Our Marine” and “Wrongfully Held by Mexico” and “Why Doesn’t Obama Do Something?”

      All the while they were ONLY reporting the story as told by the accuse criminal whom they made out to be the victim.

      Same thing here. Both the right-wing and left-wing media are guilty of sensationalizing nonsense stories.

      • ProfElwood

        Sure, and everyone needs to be called out when it happens. It seems to be happening a lot more now.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Omarkos, I am a dyed in the wool leftist Democrat and I am appalled by the way this incident is spun by the media and federal government, and bought without reason. I’m obsessed with trying to get some journalist to actually investigate and report.

      • omarkos

        Cool I’m a right-leaning conservative but I hate false narratives like the Tahmooressi debacle of a year ago and now this nonsense. We’re on the same page there. There should never have to be a right or left spin on the truth.

  • smith
    • Jester

      OK, I read about 30-40 comments deep. Each person was making the most extreme suppositions based on thin air, it was a prime example of a rabid left fest. There is a real war going on. These rabid leftist losers for whatever reason are looking to re-educate or preferably hang conservatives and white people, only they stop just short of saying so, but will twist any biased media event into fuel for their assault.

      • http://juil.me Juil

        I believe you are confusing the vocal minority with the ideology.

      • Jester

        minority? There is a maxim in the world of marketing. The opinion of one outspoken person or person who is polled represents 10 more who who did not speak or who were not polled. Therefore when I dive into 300 comments to an article and the first 40 are filled with venom and frankly delusional assumption, I feel safe to portray the audience of that blog as being of one mind. In this case what I refer to as the “rabid” or “whacko” leftists. Libertines who are so self absorbed they crossed the rubicon of the dividing line between delusion and reality, sanity and insanity.

      • http://juil.me Juil

        There is also such a thing as a strawman.
        This is much less a problem of political stratification (which is a problem too) and very much a problem with the culture of opinion, which everyone falls prey to. It just depends on which topic the discussion is about.

        And I am surprised that you would make an assumption of a group of people on a 40/300 ratio. Seems unreasonable at best.

      • Jester

        It was the first 40 comments in a row, each one laden with more snark than the last, castigating and slandering anyone and everyone but Ahmed and minorities in general. That was when it became apparent to me. Check for yourself instead of speculating about how uninformed and imperceptive I am.

      • http://juil.me Juil

        I’m not saying you’re wrong.
        40/300 still seems like a stretch.

        And you are basing your judgement based on internet comments, which everyone agrees is not the greatest display of one’s character. I pull the trigger finger sometimes myself.

      • Jester

        LOL, just go read the first 40 or so comments, including the sub replies under each comment. and see for yourself if it wan’t a virtual orgy of sarcastic biased criticism based on a mix of media talking points and political ideology. I am old hat at this. It would be the same experience that a dedicated hard core leftist has when reading the comments under an article posted on Breitbart.

      • DrunkSpock

        I believe you’re both right. The top 40 comments are hideous, but 10 people posting 4 comments each using separate accounts could achieve that affect, so that’s not enough for me to form any blanket assumptions by. Especially since we’re talking about the top 40, maybe they’re deliberately pushing the not-crazy comments down, burying them in obscurity under a flood of stupid.

      • DrunkSpock

        As a programmer I can verify that this formerly legitimate rule of marketing is too easily gamed in the internet age to apply any more.

        Software could create the illusion of consensus that simply does not exist and of course the software (or other agents) would never identify themselves as such. They’d blame whatever group they think most likely to take the fall for them, liberals in this case.

        Upon questioning these people even slightly their back story just disappears, I think that should make it clear a lot of them are not who they say they are, and should reaffirm our commitment to staying connected with our fellow Americans, even if they have been schnookered into supporting a hoaxbomber or his families fraudulent lawsuit money grab.

        Further polarizing our division can not help country in any way, we need to build bridges, even if it is over to the stupid side of the ravine, (Looking at you, MIT). How else will they learn?

      • Jester

        I have had experience with these coordinated paid trolls, bots, trolls with sock puppets, and the like. But one thing to remember is that the RADICAL left is the most active, and the most likely to have gamed the system to be able to spend hours a day rocking the social media in support of their cause celebre. They have bigger numbers then anyone would believe. So a combo of both factors is what we face I believe.

      • omarkos

        The apologists love hang their arguments on the tiniest things. If you say brief case or even mini-brief case they will go screaming into a rage that it was a PENCIL BOX YOU IDIOT!!!! As if it really made any difference whatsoever. It’s just a word that makes his crime seem more “childlike” and “innocent”.

        You are not allowed to use case or briefcase. You MUST use “pencil box”.

      • Back to Bizness

        Well, it is just 8 inches long, and has no handle, so calling it a brief case or suit case (“mini” or otherwise) isn’t exactly the most honest description either. It appears to be designed to make it sound more “bomblike” and “threatening.”
        “Vaultz” makes a whole bunch of lock-boxes including a whole line of pencil cases like the one in question. There’s no doubt they are designed to remind you of high-security carry cases used to carry delicate and/or expensive components. They have an all-black version of the pencil case they call “BLACK OPS” so yeah, they are obviously working with a military-ish vibe.
        Thing is though, the case is (a) tiny and (b) really popular in a lot of schools. Right now there are girls carrying friendship bracelets, pictures of One Direction, and erasers shaped like ponies in boxes just like this in every town in America. Whatever you think about Ahmed’s motivation here, none of this would have happened if he wasn’t able to rely on the zero-tolerance nonsense that has teachers and cops supposedly believing that a pencil case might kinda sorta look like an explosive device.
        All of which I find ridiculous and fishy. Was Ahmed (and quite possibly, his Dad) out to prove a point? Sure, I’ll buy that. I also strongly suspect that the school and the cops were out to prove a point too. Not one teacher acted like someone who thought they had a real- or faux-explosive device on their hands, and yet they still called in the cops and slapped the cuffs on him. Because he was Muslim? Because of his family? Because of a history of pranks? Who knows.
        It’s all theatre. Both sides.

    • ProfElwood

      Already saw it. I thought it was interesting that one of the commenters acknowledge that it was just a working clock stuffed into another case, and no one there refuted that.

      Even the TPM crowd doesn’t buy the “invented”, “made from scraps” clock bit.

    • omarkos

      Those comments sadden me. Why such hate? Why are they taught to hate so, while all the while congratulating themselves on how tolerant they are…?
      There’s a disconnect there.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        FWIW, I hate liars… and given the abundance of them, have no time to sort them by race, age, or any other distinguishing factors.

        Why such vehement efforts to skirt the actual point of this article?

      • TaiFood

        Hate? or frustration and trying to short hand the issues…

        How do you address the attack on those who are trying to be vigilant against Islamist terror without going to the absurd like the Pop Tart suspension?

        What do you say about Garland Terrorist Attacks?

        This is local news to Irving TX not some esoteric what-if stuff.

      • omarkos

        Sorry I’m not following anything you said. Can’t even tell which side of the issue you stand on…

        My comment was in reference to the hate-filled liberal responses to the posted link about the Irving Mayor.

      • Jester

        I found the same and noted that every comment I read was either nearly or flat out “hate filled”. Frightening.

      • omarkos

        I guess if you’re on the side of “tolerance” you are allows to spew hatred; so long as it’s directed towards the “intolerant”.
        But to be truthful, I’ve seen some right wing blogs as equally hate filled with “send them all back” – “we don’t need them here” – “they’re all terrorists” etc.

        But to spew such hatred at folks who are just seeking the truth and trying to clear up misconceptions and media lies is just insane!

      • Jester

        I agree the rabid left exemplifies hypocrisy.

        As for those who say send them all back, I sympathize. A constitutional society such as Americas should be segregated from an Islamic society. They may not all be active terrorists, but their ideology is not consistent with human rights and freedom, and thus their presence is nothing but a forward operating base and fifth column. If you hadn’t noticed, to say they do not strongly resist the tenets of their militaristic so called religion and those who act on them directly is putting it mildly.

        When they gather enough numbers, their true nature comes out. Just witness their activities in Dearborn, Minneapolis, and recently Jersey City.

        As the rabid fanatic screamed out at the Jersey City NJ school board meeting the other night after the decision not to declare a day off for the entire district for a Muslim Holiday with only 6 days notice due to the strain on parents of finding shelter for 10000 children on such short notice.

        “We feel alienated from the Board of Education, we feel alienated from this system, ‘we’re no longer the minority, that’s clear from tonight. We’re going to be the majority soon….

      • DrunkSpock

        It seems like another slam job to me. No one is that stupid and hate filled in the name of tolerance. They’re sock puppets, real liberals are nothing like that. Many of the most active opponents to this fraud are liberal, myself included. It assists our enemy for us to be as divided as possible.

      • TaiFood

        Not sure if I got caught up in circular logic and replied as if “hate” was being labeled for those who challenged the fraud.

        My bad if I got two left feet tangled on this thread…

      • DrunkSpock

        I agree with your comment but I’d like to point out that those and many other similar comments are from people who outwardly identify themselves as liberals, perhaps under false pretenses for ulterior motives (division).

        If their words conflict their actions, that is a strong indicator they are entirely false right there.

        The same way a hoax-bomber wouldn’t necessarily admit it when questioned, people trying to justify that later to help the hoaxbomber and family profit from fraudulent lawsuits wouldn’t necessarily identify themselves as part of the fraud. Instead they would try to hide behind whatever other group is most convenient, liberals in this case. Perhaps they have worn out their welcome with the Islamic community.

  • Another Mike

    Wow, you guys are still at it.
    Any great insights or conclusions in the past week?

    • witnesstothecarnage

      Hi, AM! Ready to take my challenge to prove you have some idea what you were talking about, as it comes to the evidence the solder joints prove? Ready to back up the derision you heaped on people who actually know what they are talking about? Ready (and here’s the hard one) to allow this discussion to be about the point in the article?

      Or, are you here to try to change the subject, and make it appear that the real problem is racism, while burying the facts in waves of false talking points?

      I remain ready to do the “solder off” you left unchallenged as you ran off?

      Time to0 put your money where your mouth (loudly) was?

      • Another Mike

        So you want to see my precision soldering, is that it?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Yes, but there is more to it.

        If we take scrap boards, pull 1 component and clean the pads, then exchange 4 digit numbers, to be written near the pads… then post a pic of the prepped set up, and go ahead and re-attach and post pics of that…

        It may prove you can solder well enough to back up your earlier claim that you can actually do that, but it will also show my point (that I was making before I was even linked here) that no one can dupe a 30 yr old machine made joint by hand… especially the 30yr old corrosion seen on every joint in Ahmed’s claimed “build”.

        It must be stipulated that, for the second pic, there is to be no cleaning of the board, to remove the flux that will also show that a crude joint wasn’t cleaned up with wick.

        You disparaged my points about the fraud, my skills, and my motives (as did all the other trolls)… without providing any proof.

        This is the best way I can think of to settle this. I’m more than open to better suggestions… and my rework station remains within reach of this keyboard.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        C’mon, Mike… you are the one who said “I may be a soldering Superman”.

        You are the only person here that has even responded to the challenge… the rest vanished, including Bill, who let the posts disappear into the troll created void, then piped up once, to vanish again (without a word) when issued the challenge again.

        If you create joints that would just be functional, no matter if they are hideous… you will have credibility that is head and shoulders above the other fools. You don’t have to be a Superman, if you can make joints I would use without a rework… I’ll cheerfully concede that you can solder.

        Them maybe we can try overhead soldering, just for fun?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I wish I’d thought of this sooner… I could have saved a lot of my time, and a bit of space here.

        It seems (after days) that it cleans up “expert” trolls like a shotgun in a chicken coop.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Guys, I found an example of my soldering capabilities 20yrs ago, that is a perfect example of corrosion at work. It’s not electronics though…

        It is an unfinished attempt at building a car for a World Record run in AA/FD class… in HO scale. IIRC, the record at the time was .265 of a second. (56 feet, from a dead stop).

        It’s unfinished because the only track, for hundreds of miles, closed while I was building it.

        It is constructed out of spring steel wire and bar, and double sided raw circuit board. The entire thing was created, cut, and soldered together, by me. To supply power to the 1/24 scale motor (Gp 27 armature, Quad Cobalt magnets… hundreds of amps, initially, for a few milliseconds, calcs out to roughly 2.5hp) required inventing a pick up system that wouldn’t burn like a fuse…. as every one preceding it had. Using PC board as both a torque brace, and for attaching 1/24 braid, now gives us all the different metal’s corrosion rates for comparison… in a tiny package. I assure you, those joints were both “wet” and shiny when made.

        It’s the only one of it’s kind, and I’d be happy to take a 4 digit number (then another pic) to prove it’s mine. :)

    • Jester

      just the obvious conclusions that any reasonable person can come to for themselves if they continue to listen to Ahmed and his Father stick their feet in their mouths and reveal contradiction after contradiction, sprinkled with lies.

      Oh, and there was that great interview with Ahmed’s History teacher from J.H.S. who revealed Ahmed’s running battle with authority including electronic pranks in the classrooms, suspensions, fights, and fondly remembering him as “either a future CEO or the leader of a gang”.

      And then discovering his Father and his Uncle have 10 businesses at the same address listing 10 officers all having names which are slight permutations of the Father’s name and the Uncles name. To cheat. On taxes. And who knows what other purposes.

      Oh, and the father knew Ahmed was bringing the hoax bomb in that morning and encouraged him to do so.

      And his sister was there in the school to snap that photo of Ahmed in cuffs, which means the parents knew about Ahmed’s plight long before he got to the police station.

      You could find out much much more if you were actually interested by reading the comments. Its all there.

      • acornwebworks

        Except, of course, you have yet to prove that Ahmed and his dad have lied. You merely keep claiming it over and over again…as if your claims are in the least bit relevant.

        And the interview with the teacher at his last school was great! But did you miss what should have been obvious? The fact that the teacher LIKED Ahmed? He didn’t complain about him or act as though Ahmed was a liar or a rotten kid…which you could think he at least *might* feel if he thought badly of Ahmed.

        Indeed, he witnessed Ahmed being forced to fight back in a bullying incident and wrote a letter to the administration which resulted in Ahmed’s suspension for fighting being overturned. He also spoke about one suspension being because Ahmed and his cousin were caught blowing…gasp…soap bubbles in the rest room. Oh! The horror! Ahmed “must” be a budding jihadist, right? Yeesh.

        And why in God’s Name do you assume that having 10 businesses incorporated at the same address with the same officers is illegal? Much less is designed “To cheat. On taxes. And who knows what other purposes”??? You very obviously know absolutely nothing about business or corporations or corporate taxes. You simply have an agenda and will stop at NOTHING to push it.

        You also do NOT know that the father “knew” that the “clock” Ahmed brought to school was the one by his bed, rather than his father simply ASSUMING that’s what Ahmed was referring to. You just choose to “believe” that he did and that it was part of a conspiracy plot because that assumption suits your anti-Islamic bias.

        You also do NOT know when the parents knew when Ahmed was taken to jail. Apparently you don’t even realize the police station where he was taken was a whole three and a half miles from the school.

        And you finally admit that your primary sources are people’s comments. (So much for your being an “avid researcher” :-)

        Your main problem, Jester, is that you simply don’t understand the importance of context. Indeed, you seem to deliberately reject it.

      • DrunkSpock

        It’s been proven a million times by now, maybe not to your standards but you are clearly biased, your logical criteria is self serving and circulatory, you are way too comfortable taking security risks with our children.

        The way you try to encourage people to tolerate bomb-threats in our school is very suspect to me, regardless of ‘context’. There is no context I find it acceptable to threaten 5th period English class with a bomb. Or conduct a ‘dry-run’.

        That’s never, ever OK, even when it’s nerdy Islamic kids in NASA shirts doing it. Still not acceptable, and the idea that this would be used as the foundation for additional fraud is absolutely outrageous. A step way too far. Clockmed should have quit while he was ahead.

        Your inability to address any of the obviousness of this makes me certain you never will, because that conflicts with your job/mission criteria.

      • Ichabod Crain

        We all know Muhammad’s clock was a fake. ie: It was not an invention as he claimed. Ahmed Muhammad is not an inventor. He is a kid who disobeyed his teachers and disrupted the class. You must agree with that at least, don’t you? And what’s wrong with an “anti-Islamic bias” anyhow? I also have the greatest disdain fopr Islam. Don’t you?

      • Jester

        rebels like Acorn support and encourage disobedience and class disruptions and think it is “cute”

      • Jester

        The fact that that irresponsible teacher who cynically and hypocritically trained his students to doubt the motives of the adults in their lives, “liked Ahmed”, only confirms that he is more culpable in creating the little anti-authoritarian monster that Ahmed has become because he was not able to even thinly veil that he took Ahmed under his wing as a sort of protege project in that regard.

        You weren’t there to witness this so called soap bubble incident, but your predisposition to assume school authorities are grossly incompetent (except for those who befriend Ahmed) is noted.

        You mis characterize the criticism I made of the business practices of Mohamed. Acutely by the way, but that is because you read with a predetermined conclusion in mind and cherry pick what would serve your agenda. He created 8 false identities using aliases derived from his name and his brother’s name, registering a separate business under each fraudulent ID. Bet you advised him on that one.

        And I just took Mohamed’s words VERBATIM as reported in the Dallas Morning news, which both implicitly and explicitly demonstrate that he was referring to the device that his son brought to school. Your bogus alternative explanation is laughable, and Occam rolls over in his grave each time you utter it.

        Occam also would like you to apply his razor when considering whether it is a safe assumption or an impossibility that Eyman would be standing at school taking pictures of Ahmed in cuffs with her cell phone, but would not call her Father to let him know what was happening. After all Eyman has proven a little social media guru, and if you think her father’s # isn’t on speed dial, I have some swampland in Alaska to sell you.

  • TaiFood

    Taqiyya and Tawriya concepts

    Here is new concept regarding two arabic words, one of which Dr. Ben Carson made prominent “Taqiyya” .

    While researching the term I came across a similar term “Tawriya”… the last sentence hit me as especially relevant yet this was written over two years ago.

    from last sentence of my reference (see below) that summarizes in the authors opinion:

    “To realize these, Muslims, through tawriya, are given a blank check to lie—a check that surely comes in handy: not just in trivial occasions, like avoiding unwanted callers, but momentous ones, such as at high-level diplomatic meetings where major treaties are forged.”

    Reply by Joe on July 9, 2013 at 10:55

    There is also a doctrine within islam which is less than Taqiyya. This is Tawriya, the permission to use language that is deliberately ambiguous.

    http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/tawriya-lying/

    Tawriya: New Islamic Doctrine Permits ‘Creative Lying’

    by Raymond Ibrahim on February 28, 2012 in From The Arab World, Islam

    Originally published by the Stonegate Institute

    “…

    Lest it seem tawriya is limited to a few colorful anecdotes more befitting the Arabian Nights than the religious law (Sharia) of a billion people, here are some more modern Muslim authorities—Sheikh Muhammad Hassan, the famous cleric who says Islam forbids Muslims from smiling to infidels, except when advantageous, and Dr. Abdullah Shakir—justifying it. They both give the example of someone knocking on your door, you do not wish to see them, so a relative answers the door saying, “He’s not here,” and by “here” they mean the immediate room, which is true, since you will be hiding in another room.

    Likewise, on the popular Islam Web, where Muslims submit questions and Islamic authorities respond with a fatwa, a girl poses her moral dilemma: her father has explicitly told her that, whenever the phone rings, she is to answer saying “he’s not here.” The fatwa solves her problem: she is free to lie, but when she says “he’s not here,” she must mean he is not in the same room, or not directly in front of her.

    Of course, while all the sheikhs give examples that are innocuous and amount to “white” lies, tawriya can clearly be used to commit terrible, “black” lies, especially where the adversarial non-Muslim infidel is concerned. As Sheikh al-Munajid puts it: “Tawriya is permissible if it is necessary or serves a Sharia interest.” Consider the countless “Sharia interests” that run directly counter to Western civilization and law, from empowering Islam to subjugating infidels. To realize these, Muslims, through tawriya, are given a blank check to lie—a check that surely comes in handy: not just in trivial occasions, like avoiding unwanted callers, but momentous ones, such as at high-level diplomatic meetings where major treaties are forged.

    …”

    http://4freedoms.com/group/theology/forum/topics/islam-s-doctrines-of-deception?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A128699&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A7416

    • Another Mike

      And not just within Islam. Watch how Jesus wiggles out of a tight situation through the careful use of words:

      Tawriyah of Jesus Christ

      St. Matthew reports,

      Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him (Jesus) in his talk.

      And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians,
      saying: Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God
      in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the
      person of men.

      Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute
      unto Caesar, or not? But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why
      tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? Show me the tribute money. And they brought
      unto him a penny.

      And he saith unto them, whose is this image and superscription?

      They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render
      therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the
      things that are God’s.

      When they had heard these words, they marveled, and left him, and went their way.

      • TaiFood

        @Another Mike

        I’m not clear on your point but here is my take.

        I don’t think this was a tight spot for Jesus. This was about tribute or taxes as we call it.

        Explicitly calling out: “But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?”

        By saying “…why tempt ye me…” he calls out the faux proposition to pit Jesus against the State (Caesar in this instance).

      • Another Mike

        The Pharisees wanted to trap Jesus with his own words, according to the Gospel. Jesus could have answered, “No, don’t pay the tax,” and Roman agents could have arrested him as a rabblerouser encouraging a tax revolt. Or Jesus could have answered, “Go ahead, pay the tax,” and would have lost the respect and admiration of those who opposed Roman rule and were evading paying all that they owed. So saying either yes or no would have brought a downside.

        So he evades answering the question of whether the tax is lawful or unlawful altogether, by saying the coin belongs to Caesar already.

      • TaiFood

        @Another Mike … evades? I am questioning your prejudice since this is not a grey area.

        This demonstrates the division between church and state, does it not? Completely in opposition to militant Islamists…true?

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Are you going to continue an off topic discussion… knowing that these guys are only here to produce intellectual packing material to obscure that factual posts that actually stay on point?

      • TaiFood

        @witnesstothecarnage Good point.

        Went a bit astray but this thread was my point to call the issue that is pertinent:

        Obfuscation and the concepts known as Taqiyya (dissimulation) and Tawriya (dual meanings) concepts and their possible application as to the ease of the blatant lies.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        When the subject of the article is put to bed, I’m hoping many of us will continue to stay in touch here, as the blowback continues.

        As there are still a growing number of clock skeptics currently exploring all this on other sites, who could learn quite a bit from this article (and the subsequent additions)… I’m still a bit disturbed by the troll’s combined efforts to obscure what still could be educational to others.

        They wouldn’t be here, if this wasn’t still “hot”.

        I am not, by any means, trying to say you haven’t great points about the peripherals in this case… I’m more concerned about who they are being wasted on (given that they are not, clearly, here to enlighten anyone). I’m still learning from you.

        Thank you for your response, your previous work here, and for knowing me well enough now that you didn’t consider my post as an attack.

      • TaiFood

        True sentiments!

        I’ve thought similarly, especially how much I’ve learned concentrating on threads and learning hand over fist on a continual basis.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        I have no use for people who think they know all they will ever need to… which explains why I jump to notifications from here, over all others.

        Is it time for 3 more cheers for the folks who run this place?

        Soldier on, brother! I’m 1 click away from having your 6…. in spite of the fact that you have yet to show any need for that…

        :)

      • TaiFood

        Also, there is a chance I might be too short fused and nitpicking your words. If so, my apologies if we are basically like minded here.

      • Jester

        Where your narrow mind fails you yet again. Jesus intent and motivation was to reach as many souls as he could with his message that there was a Supreme Being God the Father of all, and that each person was related to God, could relate to God directly within the heart of their mind and conscience, and that God’s kingdom was at hand. He sought to uplift as many lost souls as he could in that way. Thus his craft to avoid persecution by wicked people asking him a loaded question with the implicit intent to destroy him is morally justified and wise. There was no sincere inquiry.

        Wheras the Mohamedan has the goal to subjugate others to their belief system. That is their purpose under the orders of their leader and prophet and Deity an scriptural injunction. Anyone who does not believe as they do is considered an eternal target for their long con, and in the end if the person cannot be manipulated to convert to their belief system, they MUST be forced by arms to relent and accept the conditions of jizya, servitude, and humiliating restrictions on their ability to worship as they like. And if they still resist, then death. Thus the forward vanguard Muslim on Hijrah believes he may answer even the most sincere inquiries in any manner necessary to continue the deception that they are not there to subjugate the infidels, until they have enough numbers to force the issue.

        That said, your example was not taquiya. Your example was Jesus refusing to answer a form of loaded question directly that was asked with the intention to persecute him regardless of his answer. HIs answer was not a lie, nor a deception as he correctly understood there was not a sincere inquiry.

        Do you ever get tired of kissing the bare ass of Islam? Answer truthfully now.

      • acornwebworks

        Actually, Jesus wanted to teach us a wee bit more than that. Hence his lessons about, for example, planks vs. splinters, and casting first stones, and how we treat other people. You, unfortunately, don’t seem to have learned those lessons.

      • Jester

        And you are such an exemplar that you support the lying thieving sociopaths of the world including the False Prophet himself. Nobody who is as wrong as you are, as many times as you are, should be lecturing about Jesus Christ and who may or may not be falling short in his eyes.

      • Daily Gut Check

        You who openly support and encourage Biblicaly abominable behavior has no place in instructing others as to the teachings of Jesus.

        No, Jesus’ and the Holy Bible’s words were not merely to “teach us” anything, you are likely one of those Leftists who consider Jesus a “good teacher” but not Lord and Savior.

        Jesus sole mission was to point people to his Father, the need for salvation from the Father through his son Jesus’ eventual shedding of his own blood. Christ being the only acceptable sacrifice for the sins of man.

        Although teachings in the Bible are certainly suitable and profitable to be learned by humans in general, the Bible is not Aesop’s Fable, or something produced merely to teach “better societal behavior” as you seem to suggest.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    “Ahmed Day”….The City of New York celebrates a bomb hoaxer. Shameful.

    • witnesstothecarnage

      Shameful, yes. But, also proof of the gullibility of the “leaders” of the city Tom Brokaw called, on New Years Eve 2000, “the center of the universe”.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Their gullibility or complicity Makes me wonder if I put too much faith in that my prediction that our president will not meet with Ahmed. When and if that day comes, I’ll be pretty disillusioned. As it is, this incident has been a real eye opener for this liberal Democrat. Reminds me a lot of the OJ verdict reactions. Some divides are too big for reasoning I guess.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Sir (?), it serves to give me quite a bit of relief, knowing that people on all sides are awakening. So, as you may feel a bit cheated by all this, your participation in the fact finding here (and you aren’t the only liberal doing so) makes me feel a hell of a lot better about this country’s future.

        What Obama does next will be instructive (still betting you’re right, BTW), I consider what you are doing to be far more important.

      • omarkos

        If Obama does decide to meet with Ahmed after all this. I insist that Ahmed bring his “clock” and that Obama pose with it with a giant grin on his face!
        Better yet, have two secret service agents in full bomb-squad gear pretending to disarm it. The media would squeal with delight…
        Legacy sealed!

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Excellent point. He MUST bring the clock. The President asked him to bring it. Seriously, to go without the clock would be inexplicable from a non hoax bomb perspective.

      • acornwebworks

        Actually, I think the “hoax” won’t even be mentioned. (Even assuming the President *does* say hi to the kid.)

        After all, the real point of the President’s “congratulations” was to encourage our children to go into science and technology. So even casually mentioning “gee, this kid got handcuffed and arrested for experimenting” would be counter-productive. (Like it or not, most kids really don’t want to be arrested and taken to jail :-)

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        With all due respect, I have to disagree with you about the real point of the President’s message was to encourage our children to go into science and technology. I believe that was the pretext allowing President Obama to stand first and foremost with Ahmed against his perceived persecution. If you don’t believe me, listen to his aide’s offering of the White House perspective.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        And don’t forget the President tweeted Cool Clock, want to bring it to the White House? The whole point was that Ahmed did something of note scientifically. Can you imagine the photo op of Ahmed proudly showing The President his invention, and the President marveling over it?..so Ahmed , what does this do? Never happen , because he would be a laughingstock.

      • bcfisher

        The POTUS praised the”innovation” before anybody outside of the locals had seen the piece of … .

      • omarkos

        I would love to see Ahmed try to explain to the President, or anyone for that matter what his “invention” actually does. It would be precious!

      • acornwebworks

        We’ll just have to agree to disagree then :-)

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Agreed. You make principled points.

      • Ichabod Crain

        Well I think that was obvious. …and its going to be a very unfortunate choice of pretext Obama, ’cause now he is painted into a corner with no easy exit.

      • DrunkSpock

        Maybe next time he’ll have the good sense not to get dragged into high school drama over some twitter nonsense.

      • ProfElwood

        Considering the speed with which everyone responded, I seriously doubt he was ‘dragged”. This seems more like a pre-planned media storm. It takes a big producer to get this many big name actors in the movie.

      • DrunkSpock

        Maybe they have some aid in the WH yammering at him about whatever people are tweeting today, and that person conned him into throwing his weight behind something he probably should have stayed out of.

        ‘Those jerks in Texas are pushing around one of the Goonies! Look, he’s wearing a NASA shirt and handcuffs! Aww! If only one of us had the power to save the poor kid!’

        I have a hard time believing he would knowingly participate in some orchestrated, vindictive plot against a Texas mayor, police department, or school board. Or that he would think it’s acceptable to use bomb threats in a school as part of this. It’s too villianish and unnecessary. If he wanted some sort of retribution (and I cant think of why he would) there are easier and more discreet ways for him to accomplish that.

        So this would be a very long path to a fairly small reward and it makes me think he got conned, like a lot of other people did, reacting emotionally to the image of what appeared to be an innocent victim of misunderstood intelligence when the reality is the kid is a fraud and a terrorist in a NASA tshirt.

        What will settle it is how he reacts to emerging evidence that the the kid never invented anything, and the subsequently obvious reality that it actually was a hoaxbomb. Plausible deniability only goes so far, and it’s starting to stretch pretty thin.

      • ProfElwood

        The whole media NON-reaction is grinding on my nerves. When social media was pro-Ahmed, they were shouting it from the rooftops. Now it’s decidedly turned, and for some reason, they can’t see the comments on their own sites, overwhelmingly blasting them for perpetrating this hoax.

        There’s an inexplicable disconnect here.

      • ProfElwood

        Dallas News is the site that originally broke this story. Read the comments under their latest piece. It’s quite amusing:

        http://www.dallasnews.com/news/columnists/jacquielynn-floyd/20150928-lets-let-ahmed-go-back-to-being-a-kid.ece

      • omarkos

        Agreed. It was probably a 20-something aide who said. “Look, what a great story, we should send this kid a tweet of encouragement”…
        Barack – Sure, whatever…

      • nicholasstix

        I don’t think he participated in a conspiracy. Rather, I think Obama has an instinctive attraction to such hoaxes. He didn’t rally to Ahmed’s side in spite of the kid being a hoaxer, but because of it. Recall the Jena Hoax. The Skip Gates Hoax. The Campus Rape Myth. If Ahmed hadn’t been a bomb hoaxer, Obama’s spidey sense wouldn’t have gone into overdrive.

        Nicholas Stix, Uncensored

      • omarkos

        Very UN-Presidential if you ask me. I

      • Jester

        Anyone who has watched the false prophet work his voodoo on the country and the world, vindictively twisting every unfortunate event into fodder to advance his agenda of dividing the people of the US against each other and weakening the country he loathes in every measurable category, and can still claim he has any such innocent motive commenting on a case without knowledge and a “clock” he has never seen…

        needs a lobotomy.

      • acornwebworks

        Oh, stop. YOU work far harder at being divisive than he does.

      • Jester

        CORRECT.

        That is because he attempts to divide the weak naive and foolish from recognizing who can actually help them get ahead in life by blaming them for the bad fortune that he and his sociopathic global communists have actually brought upon them, and it is as natural as breathing to him.

        I need to work overtime to expose such cunning sociopathic villains and those useful idiots who support them, SETTING THEM APART from the good hearted yet naive people who are still under the impression that their persecutors are their champions, and that those who would assist them are the enemy.

        I am not sure who is worse sometimes, evil shitstains like him or enabling dipshits like you.

      • nicholasstix

        “After all, the real point of the President’s “congratulations” was to encourage our children to go into science and technology.”

        No, it wasn’t. Obama hates science and technology. He has reduced NASA to a Moslemcentric propaganda agency, and has squandered millions of dollars on a boondoggle to discriminate against scientifically gifted white boys and men, on behalf of incompetent females, especially non-white females.

        Nicholas Stix, Uncensored

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    I’m still wondering who paid $200 for A Micronta 73-635 on eBay this weekend and why. Hoping it’s Another mythbuster.

    • Ichabod Crain

      Maybe the “other side” bought it to avoid any more embaressing comparisons to Muhammad’s “invention”.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I think that’s a likely scenario. Well, anyone out there scouring the Thrift shops, there’s gold in them thar Microntas. If I see another one, it will be worth 2 hundred to me!

      • Jester

        I thought the same thing a week ago when the bidding hit 140.00 with 4 days left in the auction. I scoured the net, but was only able to find that clock on old ebay auctions, and there were quite a few. Old Ebay auctions have their own unique web address and remain in the search engines for quite some time.

      • TaiFood

        Ha!!! I was in the hunt up until $170’ish… I went so far as to locate the service manual for the parts list and schematics…I was bummed the auction went so high. I was not comfortable going over $100.

      • Jester

        Yeah, I suspect someone from “the other team” got wind of the auction and was prepared to go the distance, after all they have thousands of useful idiots throwing cash at them.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    So I’ve been predicting here for some time that the President will not meet with Ahmed. Yesterday an op Ed writer on Daily Caller wrote an article stating that that the real question is whether the president Will disinvite Ahmed or pretend that he something he’s not. First time I’ve seen that possibility mentioned in print other than here. In the next paragraph, he links to this article. Not saying this theory was my only my “invention,” but i gotta believe this marketplace of ideas may be bigger than I think. Of course, I may just be a poster with delusions of grandeur.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/28/on-ahmeds-clock-president-obama-once-again-spoke-too-soon/

    • Ichabod Crain

      I am now inclined to see it your way on this. Obama’s reason for inviting Ahmed to the White House was entirely based on his “invention” and to hold Ahmed up as a role model to promote science education. Though a laudable goal, the turn in events upon demonstration that Ahmed invented nothing would be a total farce that would blow back in his face. Maybe even the Republicans would start pushing the “there was no invention here” angle for a chance to stick it to Obama. Obama doesn’t dare push that angle anymore, whatever he does. It would leave him exposed and increase his vulnerability to attack.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I agree that encouraging education was a laudable goal, and maybe the President had know idea what was up with the clock. I have to say, though, the present didn’t do this in a vacuum. He was killing two birds with one stone. One bird was Islamaphobia.

      • Jester

        The president cares about nothing in life but his own image. He doesn’t have a shred of decency in his body, and therefore anything good he appears to do was a cold calculated effort on his own behalf with some string attached. Bet on it.

      • ProfElwood

        It’s pretty obvious to me that the real target was Irving’s mayor.
        This IS politics, you know.

      • DrunkSpock

        I agree with that conclusion.

      • Jester

        Damn right it was.

        “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” Barry Hussein Soetoro from Dreams of my Father.

      • Cord

        Jester – not sure if you have seen this video or not but have a look if you find time.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xck4t1jVnAQ

      • Jester

        ugh, I analyzed the Fuddy case with my old crew and won’t forget it. That was a nasty op. But that is the kind of thing you get when a once useful idiot of the Cabal becomes a liability. They end up with the fishes in Davey Jone’s Locker.

        I can’t watch that video just before bed, or I will have to battle demons in my dreams.

      • Cord

        Any links to the research?

      • Jester

        I limited myself to examining her death with some sleuths using GLP back in the day. We had a very hot thread going, don’t know if the archivists were favorable to it or not, but you won’t be able to miss it if it’s still there.

      • Ichabod Crain

        OMG! I never paid the slightest attention to these birther conspiracies before, but this sounds so credible…

      • Jester

        Unfortunately, many conspiracy theories are true.

      • Cord

        Ichabod, then you may like this one too.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ib98zR01ys

      • TaiFood

        @Jester Head’s up…that might be an urban legend.

        here’s a link that disputes the quote’s authenticy…

        http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/

      • Jester

        Whether it is or not, it is apparent that Obama has allegiance to no one but Obama and is an opportunistic predator of the first magnitude. However, his aesthetic taste resides in Islam, for various reasons, some of them quite perverted.

      • Cord

        You could be correct about that but feel Obama was part of it from the start. My best guess is he will indeed meet with the boy.

      • Dale Baranoski

        This was NOT why Obama made the invite. Obama is now infamous for almost always jumping the gun and supporting the worst possible choices in a good guy vs bad guy situation.

      • Jhren

        If Republicans actually make this an issue, they’ll just be making themselves look like a bunch of unbelievably petty total asses. Imagine the United States Congress involving itself in the debate over whether 14 year old Ahmed actually built his clock. OMG.

      • ProfElwood

        It’d be tough to “debate” now. Between video interviews with both Ahmed and his father, and the police evidence which no one has refuted, it can’t be argued.

        He didn’t build or invent it, in any sense that normal people would use those words. It’s a working clock transplanted into a new locking pencil case.

        Case closed, and wired shut (so as not to look suspicious).

      • Jhren

        It can be argued and is being argued; the debate centers on what “built” means. And no one’s physically examined it yet. It could still be revealed that he took parts from different Micronta clocks or the smaller unseen circuit board was scratch-built or something.

        In any event, even getting involved would be a new low for Congress and it really would look like racism, especially since there’s only one non-Christian Republican in their entire Congressional delegation (Lee Zeldin, Jewish) and there’s never been a Muslim.

      • ProfElwood

        Well, I suppose if Democrats really want to look that silly, they could. I bet they’d run. Every hobbyist out there knows that no one could desolder and resolder a ribbon cable in 20 minutes, although Ahmed might be a superhuman solderer, since he can solder CPUs! The father already admitted he used it to wake up “most mornings”, while Ahmed said that he made it on Sunday night. And the “there might be something unseen in there” just doesn’t pass the sniff test.

        I’m sorry, but claiming he’s helped by an invisible army of elves would be slightly more believable than the “homemade” “invention” story. Even WaPo finally dropped the word “homemade” in their last piece.

      • Jhren

        He might have meant one of those 4-bit CPUs you can build. He’s not been telling the truth about everything but that’s something that could be possibly true.

        Silly?

        This is a problem… the right wing have no idea how they’re perceived.

        Democrats have elected 28 times as many Jewish people to Congress as Republicans have, in this term alone.

        Republicans have NEVER elected a Muslim.

        I’m a Democratic voter and I almost want them to start ganging up on Ahmed. On the other hand, I’m sick of the story and would just like it out of my inbox.

      • ProfElwood

        I already figured out the Democrat part.
        Nothing you mentioned would make Ahmed’s stories any more believable.

      • Jhren

        No, but it’s not really about believing him. I already know Ahmed’s been lying, which is why I’m sick of the story. I also know he’s 14.

      • ProfElwood

        The problem here isn’t Ahmed — it’s the circus of people around him. As far as I can tell, this whole fiasco was blown out of proportion because of a grudge match the Democrats have against the mayor of Irving. Having a chance to call the people of Irving (Texas!) a bunch of bigots was just too much to resist.

        As puzzling as I find Ahmed’s behavior, it seems to be a lot more sensible than the storm of supposedly spontaneous outpouring of support. The media blackout of the backlash isn’t helping. I can’t prove that the Democrats were behind it, but in the absence of any logical explanation, people will fill in the holes.

      • Jhren

        I think it’s just stubbornness and a general lack of critical thinking. People formed very quick opinions based on the “They thought it was a bomb” story (which I didn’t read) and now they don’t want to change their minds. Stubbornness is a problem for humans and our social media age exacerbates it. The kind of media we have is great for allowing a lot of people to find out about something overnight and form an instant opinion based on little knowledge. The upside of that is the instant smackdown laid upon Martin Shkreli. The downside is Ahmed Mohamed.

      • ProfElwood

        Well, it reminds me too much of the Indiana RFRA blitz, which the Democrats were openly bragging about organizing. The mainstream media reporting is entirely lopsided; major CEOs are involved; and high level politicians are wagging their fingers. Stubbornness has been around for a while, this is one of only two full-court presses that I’ve seen.

        The difference here is that
        1) There were no urgent threats that the mayor had to respond to
        2) The mayor never backed down on supporting the school and police handling of the situation.
        3) That drew out the story long enough for people to get a good look at the situation, which like the clock, looks pretty manufactured upon a closer look
        4) The Mohammads have been incriminating themselves since the story broke, even though they’ve had nothing but friendly interviews

      • Jhren

        OK, but what exactly do you mean? You’re not saying representatives from newspapers, blogs, broadcast networks, the White House, etc. got together and actually planned this to happen and how to react, I’m guessing.

        Even NASA jumped on the #IStandWithAhmed bandwagon. And Harvard, and MIT, and Microsoft..

      • ProfElwood

        I don’t know if they “got together”, but something sure seems pre-planned and scripted here. Google isn’t known for its political involvement. And this whole thing is political.

        Again, the newspapers keep reporting this like everyone is buying the story, even using the #IStandWIthAhmed tag, despite a pretty clear turn in the social media world.

      • Jhren

        I’ve been really annoyed at this myself, the way every media outlet seems to still be taking his story the same way it was on day one, “homemade clock” and everything, like they’ve never heard of any contradictory information.

        But – it’s not just the MSM. My actual favorite blogs are still doing the same thing, which has been disappointing.

        I argued about it on one of them, and got zero support from anyone including ordinary commenters. Accused of trolling etc. Of course my RL friends are in agreement but online it’s a different story. So from that experience I think it’s more of a general social failure, than a top-down, planned thing.

      • ProfElwood

        That’s a reasonable explanation. It’s hard to admit you got punked, especially after coming down so hard. The Dallas News certainly seems to have dropped the ball in its initial reporting. Investigative journalism is an endangered species.

      • Jhren

        And no one posts corrections anymore, blogs or old media. If we’re wrong, we just stop talking and move on to the next story of the week. No one takes responsibility.

        If I’m being honest, I actually had to be argued into doubting Ahmed’s story myself. I was defending him until I saw the reverse engineering because I trusted the blog I read about it on at first, and they (I assume) in turn trusted whoever they got their information from, and so on.

        Dawkins is right – we are too reliant on intellectual shortcuts, counting on other people to do the thinking so we don’t have to.

      • Algoria

        I recalled this comment of yours and wanted to see what you had to say about Ahmed and his “clock” on one of your favorite sites. Your account being private [not that there’s anything wrong with that : ) ] meant I had to do some work to find it. It took more than a little scrolling here and then some additional searching on the internet to find the site, but I see Wonkette is the place you referenced. (Don’t worry, I’m not an internet stalker. If you don’t reply to this our conversation is done. Or conversely, if you want the last word you shall have it.)

        The Wonkette piece was a response to a Breitbart article about Ahmed. I read a few of the Breitbart comments and they seem to be somewhat of a mixed bag, but the Wonkette comments are almost invariably crude and stupid. Tell me you began commenting there when you were young and impressionable.

        So many comments there about how Breitbart is dead and rotting in the grave and what they would like to do to his putrefying corpse. Among them your remarks appeared as the voice of reason but I saw no reasonable reply from anyone there to any of what you said.

        Perhaps it’s wrong for me to criticize your online friends this way, but what kind of friends would reply to your common sense remarks this way?

        trolling assholes; wingnut; your fevered Faux News addled, Rush Limbaugh pill pumped mind; concern troll; crazy conspiracy BS; big ass liar; big Kardashian ass sized LIAR; (LOL)you and all the other concern trolls and racists;
        So disagreeing with these people makes you a racist. Understand that you are a liberal, albeit a generally reasonable one. Imagine how these deluded children hate us conservatives. Yes there is hatred on both sides but the fact that they hated you merely for disagreeing with them should give you pause for thought about your liberal/leftist friends.

      • ProfElwood

        This might help clarify how the RFRA backlash was organized.

        http://time.com/3768334/indiana-gay-rights/

      • DrunkSpock

        Sure, or maybe he has a CPU wafer manufacturing plant hidden under his bed. Maybe he’s secretly Broadcom. It’s extremely unlikely, but has anyone had a chance to look yet?

        Let’s not make any rash judgments until the Mohammeds have had every opportunity to slander the Irving police/school-board and fraudulently sue them.

      • Jhren

        http://www.bigmessowires.com/nibbler-guess.jpg

        This is a 4-bit CPU you can build as an educational hobby project. You don’t need a manufacturing plant.

      • DrunkSpock

        You see how the chips themselves are in sockets? You simply don’t solder CPU’s no matter what 30 seconds of googling for ‘CPU’ and ‘Solder’ tells you. Even the most unlikely scenarios you can cherry pick, still, no soldering the CPU’s. You solder the socket, not the CPU.

        There is absolutely no chance Ahmed builds his own CPU’s. If he was someone that could, he would be better spoken on the subject.

        So are you the new PR team? Seems like it.

      • Jhren

        Ugh stop with the assumptions. I didn’t just spend 30 seconds Googling. This (Nibbler) is a CPU a kid can build, you do use soldering in building it and it’s POSSIBLE he was referring to something like this. And there are other examples out there.

        What do you mean by accusing me of running PR for Ahmed? Don’t you WANT to know if he could possibly have been telling the truth about soldering CPUs? Would you prefer to not know?

      • DrunkSpock

        You should have spent more than 30 seconds googling or else you might have noticed this little tid-bit on the Nibbler ‘big mess of wires’ home page:

        ‘Nibbler is built using wire-wrapping on a 5 x 4 inch (127 x 102 mm) perfboard.’

        Even the guy that invented this thing wouldn’t try to solder it.

        Here’s a photo. See if you can find any solder on it. Or ‘scrap PCBs’.

        http://www.bigmessowires.com/nibbler-bottom.jpg

        Lets have a look at the schematic:

        http://www.bigmessowires.com/nibbler-schematic-v5-small.png

        Does that honestly look like a project a teenager could build?

        Did you notice you program it with machine code? Not suitable for teenagers.

        From the hackaday page comments section:

        ‘We had to do this for my sophomore EE classes.’ That’s sophomore in college, not freshman in highschool.

      • Jhren

        You got that photo from Big Mess O’ Wires, the same blog I was reading. If you continue reading, you’ll notice this:

        “Anything that doesn’t have 0.1 inch spaced pins requires bending or drilling, and discretes also require soldering instead of wire wrap. It took me several hours to drill holes for the DC power jack, deform the button pins to a 0.1 inch spacing, and mount and solder all the other passive components. In many cases that involved cutting a wire so it could be soldered at one end, but wrapped at the other end.”

        http://www.bigmessowires.com/2013/09/13/wire-wrapping-the-nibbler-cpu/

        The entire schematic fits on one page, and he didn’t say he didn’t have help.

      • DrunkSpock

        What part of ‘passive component’ sounds like CPU to you?

        http://www.bigmessowires.com/nibbler/ -> search for ‘solder’ = 0 hits.

        You said that’s a CPU someone might solder together and the evidence clearly indicates that is FALSE. You said this in an effort to help a terrorist get away with their terrorism and subsequently sue the school board for responding to it at all.

        I’ve pointed out your mistakes, you persist in pushing that narrative because it was not a mistake, it was a deliberate lie. So now it’s clear that your lies intentionally assist terrorism.

      • Jhren

        OMG, that’s where you’re planting the flag? That the wiring and passive components aren’t part of the CPU?

      • DrunkSpock

        You are implying he soldered the CPU and that’s obviously wrong. No one claimed solder is not involved in electronic devices. However, not every electronic device is a CPU.

        You must have gotten your electronics instruction from Ahmed. Maybe you should stick to terrorizing high schools.

      • DrunkSpock

        Fact: The Nibbler 4-bit CPU shown does NOT require or use a soldering iron. Source: http://www.bigmessowires.com/nibbler/ – From the creator: ‘Nibbler is built using wire-wrapping on a 5 x 4 inch (127 x 102 mm) perfboard.’

        Why is Jhren lying to help Ahmed perpetrate fraud? At this point it is starting to seem pretty deliberate.

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      Breitbart weighs in today on the Dilemma the President faces over whether to meet with Ahmed. Ahmed’s uncle says Ahmed’s main goal is to show the clock to the President .http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/29/family-ahmed-mohameds-main-goal-bring-clock-president-obama/

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    K

    • ProfElwood

      Well, a chance to call the city of Irving islamaphobics, maybe.

  • CS

    I have to say I really enjoyed this article. I also enjoy the comments. It is nice not hearing name calling but pure facts. Thank you :) I am feeling like facebook is just full of ignorant people that are trying to create uprise to get more followers and hits.

  • Dale Baranoski

    I had already concluded that this was going to turn out as something completely opposite of the media spin of an innocent teen being persecuted just based on the bomb look-alike aspect. But your article was great in really exposing the one aspect of a story that is always hard to hide – the truth. Kudos and thanks!

  • Cord

    The only words needed to determine the truth of this subject “Ahmed claims that he used a cable to close the pencil case because he didn’t “want to make it seem like a threat” or “suspicious.”
    the other 13,383 comments is just additional filling…