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Reverse Engineering Ahmed Mohamed’s Clock… and Ourselves.

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I have something in common with Ahmed Mohamed: as a youngster, I was also an electronics enthusiast. At his age and even earlier, I frequently took apart electronic devices – anything from my own toys, to broken things around the house, and even that dirty garbage-picked black and white TV my parents dragged home that they knew I’d have a blast playing with (I did.) I’d try and troubleshoot, repair, or sometimes just disassemble things and salvage components for future projects. I’d try and imagine how all those bits and pieces, lengths of wires, mazes of conductive circuit board traces all came together to produce an image, or a sound, or some other useful function. I wanted to know how it all worked.

Without dating myself – fast forward a bunch of years, and I’m the same way. I’ve even picked up an engineering degree over the course of those years. I don’t have to only imagine how things work anymore, I have a pretty good understanding now. When shopping for electronic devices, my first instinct is to see if there’s a way to build one myself (and, I frequently do!) When something of mine breaks, I don’t send it back, I take it as a personal challenge to get it working again. If I fail, I still salvage useful parts – they might come in handy to fix something else later. This aspect of myself – being both methodical, and curious – hasn’t changed a bit over the years.

High resolution police photo of Ahmed's clock. Click to enlarge.

High resolution police photo of Ahmed’s clock. Click to enlarge.

So, this story about a 14 year old boy in Texas that was arrested on suspicion of creating a bomb hoax (who, apparently just wanted to show off his latest electronics project to his teachers) that has blown up (no pun intended) all over the news and social media, caught my attention immediately. Not because of his race, or his religion, the seeming absurdity of the situation, the emotionally charged photo of a young boy in a NASA t-shirt being led off in hand cuffs, the hash tags, the presidential response… no, none of that. I’m an electronics geek. I was interested in the clock! I wanted to figure out what he had come up with.

I found the highest resolution photograph of the clock I could. Instantly, I was disappointed. Somewhere in all of this – there has indeed been a hoax. Ahmed Mohamed didn’t invent his own alarm clock. He didn’t even build a clock. Now, before I go on and get accused of attacking a 14 year old kid who’s already been through enough, let me explain my purpose. I don’t want to just dissect the clock. I want to dissect our reaction as a society to the situation. Part of that is the knee-jerk responses we’re all so quick to make without facts. So, before you scroll down and leave me angry comments, please continue to the end (or not – prove my point, and miss the point, entirely!)

For starters, one glance at the printed circuit board in the photo, and I knew we were looking at mid-to-late 1970s vintage electronics. Surely you’ve seen a modern circuit board, with metallic traces leading all over to the various components like an electronic spider’s web. You’ll notice right away the highly accurate spacing, straightness of the lines, consistency of the patterns. That’s because we design things on computers nowadays, and computers assist in routing these lines. Take a look at the board in Ahmed’s clock. It almost looks hand-drawn, right? That’s because it probably was. Computer aided design was in its infancy in the 70s. This is how simple, low cost items (like an alarm clock) were designed. Today, even a budding beginner is going to get some computer aided assistance – in fact they’ll probably start there, learning by simulating designs before building them. You can even simulate or lay out a board with free apps on your phone or tablet. A modern hobbyist usually wouldn’t be bothered with the outdated design techniques. There’s also silk screening on the board. An “M” logo, “C-94” (probably, a part number – C might even stand for “clock”), and what looks like an American flag. More about that in a minute. Point for now being, a hobbyist wouldn’t silk screen logos and part numbers on their home made creation. It’s pretty safe to say already we’re looking at ’70s tech, mass produced in a factory.

So I turned to eBay, searching for vintage alarm clocks. It only took a minute to locate Ahmed’s clock. See this eBay listing, up at the time of this writing. Amhed’s clock was invented, and built, by Micronta, a Radio Shack subsidary. Catalog number 63 765.

Image property of eBay seller curiosities_curios

Image property of eBay seller curiosities_curios

The shape and design is a dead give away. The large screen. The buttons on the front laid out horizontally would have been on a separate board – a large snooze button, four control buttons, and two switches to turn the alarm on and off, and choose two brightness levels. A second board inside would have contained the actual “brains” of the unit. The clock features a 9v battery back-up, and a switch on the rear allows the owner to choose between 12 and 24 hour time. (Features like a battery back-up, and a 24 hour time selection seems awful superfluous for a hobby project, don’t you think?) Oh, and about that “M” logo on the circuit board mentioned above? Micronta.

clock5

clock6For one last bit of confirmation, I located the pencil box Ahmed used for his project. During this video interview he again claims it was his “invention” and that he “made” the device – but the important thing at the moment, at 1:13, we see him showing the pencil box on his computer screen. Here it is on Amazon, where it’s clearly labeled as being 8.25 inches wide. Our eBay seller also conveniently took a photo of the clock next to a ruler to show it’s scale – about 8 inches wide. The dimensions all line up perfectly.

So there you have it folks, Ahmed Mohamed did not invent, nor build a clock. He took apart an existing clock, and transplanted the guts into a pencil box, and claimed it was his own creation. It all seems really fishy to me.

If we accept the story about “inventing” an alarm clock is made up, as I think I’ve made a pretty good case for, it’s fair to wonder what other parts of the story might be made up, not reported factually by the media, or at least, exaggerated.

I refer back again to this YouTube video interview with Ahmed. He explains that he closed up the box with a piece of cord because he didn’t want it to look suspicious. I’m curious, why would “looking suspicious” have even crossed his mind before this whole event unfolded, if he was truly showing off a hobby project, something so innocuous as an alarm clock. Why did he choose a pencil box, one that looks like a miniature briefcase no less, as an enclosure for a clock? It’s awful hard to see the clock with the case closed. On the other hand, with the case open, it’s awful dangerous to have an exposed power transformer sitting near the snooze button (unless, perhaps his invention was to stop serial-snooze-button pressers by giving them a dangerous electrical shock!)

So again, I’m pointing all this out – about the specifics of the clock – not to pick on the poor kid. I’m picking on us, our culture, and our media. I don’t even care about the clock itself at this point.

If we stop and think – was it really such a ridiculous reaction from the teacher and the police in the first place? How many school shootings and incidents of violence have we had, where we hear afterwards “this could have been prevented, if only we paid more attention to the signs!” Teachers are taught to be suspicious and vigilant. Ahmed wasn’t accused of making a bomb – he was accused of making a look-alike, a hoax. And be honest with yourself, a big red digital display with a bunch of loose wires in a brief-case looking box is awful like a Hollywood-style representation of a bomb. Everyone jumped to play the race and religion cards and try and paint the teachers and police as idiots and bigots, but in my mind, they were probably acting responsibly and erring on the side of caution to protect the rest of their students, just in case. “This wouldn’t have happened if Ahmed were white,” they say. We’re supposed to be sensitive to school violence, but apparently religious and racial sensitivity trumps that. At least we have another clue about how the sensitivity and moral outrage pecking order lies.

Because, is it possible, that maybe, just maybe, this was actually a hoax bomb? A silly prank that was taken the wrong way? That the media then ran with, and everyone else got carried away? Maybe there wasn’t even any racial or religious bias on the parts of the teachers and police.

I don’t know any of these things. But I’m intellectually mature enough to admit I don’t know, and to also be OK with that. I don’t feel a need to take the first exit to conclusionville. But I do like to find facts where I can, and prefer to let them lead me to conclusions, rather than a knee jerk judgement based on a headline or sound bite.

I think the whole event – and our collective response, with everybody up to the President chiming in, says a whole lot about us. We don’t care that none of us were there and knows what happened, we jump to conclusions and assume we’re experts. We care about the story, but we don’t care about the actual facts. Headlines and click-bait are far more interesting than thinking for ourselves. We like to point out other any bit of perceived injustice or discrimination we can find – it’s practically a new national past-time. We like playing victim, and we like talking about victims – so much so we sometimes find victims where none really existed. We also like to find somebody to blame, even when there’s nobody at fault. We like to play social justice warrior on our Facebooks and Twitters, posting memes and headlines without digging in behind the sensationalism, winning bonus sensitivity points in the forms of likes and re-tweets. Once group-think kicks in, we rally around hash tags and start shouting moral outrage in a deafeningly loud national chorus. The media plays us like a fiddle, and we don’t even notice we’ve all been had.

As for me, I’m glad to apply the lessons I’ve learned as an electronics enthusiast to other aspects of life. There’s no emotion in troubleshooting a circuit, electricity doesn’t have morals. There’s just physics, and logic, and methodology. I think we could all benefit from applying a little more of that sort of thinking to these situations.

* Correction: A reader and commenter, Joe Donaldson, tracked down the clock in a Radio Shack catalog dated 1986. It’s likely that my guess of mid-to-late 70s was off by a bit, and it’s now obvious it was a model that was for sale in the mid 80s. Though it doesn’t really change the point, I want to post this correction here for accuracy sake and thank Joe for the heads up. (See the comment here, with link to the catalog page.)


  • Ichabod Crain

    “Hey Liberals, #IStandwithAhmed Isn’t Only About Racism. It’s About School Zero Tolerance Insanity. Kids of all colors are at risk while paranoia reigns supreme in public schools.”

    “I stand with Ahmed, too. But I also stand with Alex Stone.”

    “Who is Alex Stone? He’s the South Carolina 16-year-old who was arrested and suspended last year for writing a purely fictional story about a dinosaur in which he killed the prehistoric beast with a gun. Stone was a white kid. Alex Stone is just one example. Here are some others…”

    https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/16/liberals-making-istandwithahmed-about-ra

    • Ichabod Crain

      #I stand with Alex Stone.
      We should launch that one on Twitter. You think he’ll get an invitation to the White House? I bet he’s just as inventive as clock boy Muhammad, who ever he is, ’cause that’s such a low bar to jump.

  • Ichabod Crain

    “We Muslims are left to deal with the aftermath of this distortion of our identities. We are stereotyped and generalized to be uniformly Arab, uniformly violent, and uniformly radical. We become incompatible with American values and American ideals.”

    “Because of this, to be Muslim in America is to be a political symbol. To be Muslim in America is to choose between apologist and isolationist. To be Muslim in America is to allow the ignorance of a majority to paint a caricature of Islam, distort our beliefs as un-American, and command us to reject our seemingly incompatible religion. To be Muslim in America is to be either a sellout or a traitor. To be Muslim in America is to be a walking contradiction with no claim to patriotism or citizenship. It is to fall prey to the dichotomy constructed by political and media systems that benefit off of fear-mongering and Othering rhetoric.”

    “These days, I can’t walk outside with a hijab on my head without being politicized in some way.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/attiya-latif/becoming-unamerican-polit_b_8212028.html

    Racism is a terrible thing. One cannot change the colour of there skin. Homophobia is a terrible thing – one cannot change their sexual orientation. Discrimination based on ethnicity is a terrible thing. One’s ethnic origin is not under his control.

    But discrimination based on ones religious or political beliefs? The game’s on! You have no automatic right to have your beliefs respected. You can change your beliefs as easily as you change your socks, if you so choose. If you adopt a belief, any belief, be prepared to have your belief challenged, because that is how we all arrive at what we call “consensus reality”.

    • ProfElwood

      At this point, I think it’s safe to say that this hoax media bomb didn’t help Muslims, despite the fact that most of the local ones, to their credit, didn’t jump on the bandwagon.

      • Jester

        I would give them credit if they were to come together and hire a PR firm to conduct a campaign countering what the Mohamed family and leftist media partners are perpetrating.

        Where I come from, silence means consent. Or perhaps cowardice, which in effect, amounts to the same thing.

      • ProfElwood

        Muslim Group Doesn’t Fault School, Police for Detention of Ahmed Mohamed

        http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/support-pours-texas-teen-suspended-clock-33821874

      • Jester

        “We’re not pointing a finger at the school district or the police department,” Hamideh said. “Under the current climate that exists in this country, you can’t really blame them because when they see something like that, they have to react.”

        And who dies Hamideh blame for “the current climate in the US”?

        “All of these people who push this hate agenda need to engage the Muslim community and to understand the Muslim identity in this country,” Hamideh said.

        If that statement by the spokesman from the Islamic Association of North Texas is not enough to tip you off that the IANT is playing an angle, you need to read the info and follow the links behind these 2 articles to find out more about Hamas linked IANT.

        1. IANT is also known as the Dallas Central Mosque (DCM). The DCM has beendescribed in a 1999 article in a Counterterrorism Journal as:

        … considered to be one of the most active centers of Hamas activity in the United States and hosts the leadership and members of both the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) and the Holy Land Foundation (HLF). Both organizations are the primary conduits for Hamas activity and fundraising in the United States. (See Note 2)

        Note 2 The Journal of Counterterrorism & Security International 1999 Fall “The Kavakci Affair: Headscarves, Religious Rights, and Terrorist Front Groups”

        https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/texas-islamic-association-building-islamic-village-video/

        2. The state of Texas spawned Mohamed Elibiary, who grew up in the North Dallas area, and has direct ties to the Islamic Association of North Texas. In 2008, Elibiary strongly criticized the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) convictions. Both the IANT and HLF have ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. Instead of Elibiary being convicted of terrorist activities, he has risen to a position of prominence within the Department of Homeland Security. Islamists do not get demoted in Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood White House, of which Elibiary is its most vocal member.

        Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/lone-star-mecca-islamic-association-of-north-texas-building-a-vast-community-in-dallas/#SFCfogzgsmqVhwkw.99

        3. U.S. media is reporting that Ghassan Hitto, known to have been a leader in several U.S. Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas support organizations, has been elected by the Syrian National Coalition (SNC) as head of an interim government in Syria. According to an AP report: (report redacted, read at link)…

        …At least half of the Board of Directors of the Muslim Legal Fund (MFLA) is comprised of individuals who are leaders in U.S. Muslim Brotherhood organizations including the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Islamic Association of North Texas (IANT) which operates the Dallas Central Mosque that has been known to be tied to Hamas support. Perhaps the most notable of the MFLA board members is Hatem Bazian, President of the American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) and also part of the U.S. Hamas support infrastructure,

        Mr. Hitto has also been a leader in several other U.S. Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas support organizations:

        rest at link

        http://www.globalmbwatch.com/2013/03/19/exclusive-u-s-muslim-brotherhoodhamas-support-leader-chosen-by-opposition-to-head-interim-government-2/

      • Ichabod Crain

        Shocking!

      • Jester

        People truly underestimate the relentless mission oriented nature of Islamic Jihad and the length to which the Hijrah in the USA has allowed key figures to infiltrate the highest echelons of power.

        Conquest of Infidels for Allah is the cynosure of the Jihadist”s idealism and the main goal of their lives other than gaining self pleasure at the expense of others.

      • Cord

        You sound like a smart guy Jester and raise valid points. However an unbiased position is always best when investigating the facts or conducting any investigation. Bias creeps in otherwise and credibility falls. Less personal feelings and more facts will win the day…

      • Jester

        My conclusion as stated above is well founded and objectively verifiable. My emotions are the fuel but reason always wins the day. But thanks for the feedback.

      • Cord

        You may be correct but it is not what I take away from your posts. You are on a mission (one that I share in some respects) though for those without prior exposure would be a little confused. Why not stick to the facts without all the other personal stuff/opinion?

      • Jester

        I suppose I am moved to enjoy interweaving my reporting of facts with color commentary. If people were to ignore the factual portion of my offerings due to my tendency to emphatically characterize those I am exposing and crusading against, they would likely not be moved to act on the information anyway.

        Could be a slight disadvantage, but I am what I am and old habits die hard.

      • Cord

        fair enough and people can now take that into consideration when assessing the claims.

      • Jester

        I only footnoted the claim in the first sentence. Reason being that I started out writing that piece as an offering to the intrepid commentators here who have been weighing in since Anthony published this article. All of whom have seen the claims in my piece sourced numerous times within the 13000 comments here, and are very familiar with the talking points. I did not consider making it palatable for an outside audience. Although I did link to it a couple times.

        Frontpage mag published a fantastic article yesterday highlighting Ahmed’s Qatar visit in the context of a broad and comprehensive summary of the entire saga, with dozens of source links throughout.

        http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260279/ahmed-mohameds-qatari-vacation-muslim-brotherhood-arnold-ahlert#.VgxPo1sZ04U.twitter

        If I had such a platform, or was requested by someone who had such a platform, I would have put in the time and used the same technique.

      • DrunkSpock

        That’s a good point, but lets consider this scenario.

        Let’s say there’s a group of people opposed to kicking puppies. Their position is pretty obvious and self explanatory. “Don’t kick puppies”

        And of course, there’s another group that is for the kicking of puppies. Or, in this case, bombing our schools. Their position is less specific. “Don’t be an Islamaphobe”.

        How does one debate that impartially? Even giving the puppy kickers the benefit of a ‘non biased explanation’ is itself biased against team ‘dont kick puppies’. And ‘impartially’ debating how much of the conversation religion should play is acknowledging that it is somehow relevant at all.

        I think sometimes its ok to be biased against subjects that especially defy common sense and basic decency. Bombs, bomb threats, dry runs and/or hoaxbombs all fall under that umbrella, regardless of who is doing it or what their religion is.

      • Cord

        Its a good argument spock. If we knew, via questioning the intent of the suspect I would agree with you. In this case while we can use balance of probability to guide us, we have no confession from the perp. In my humble view this is an important factor and consideration. Facts, not folly may provide the best road forward.

      • DrunkSpock

        Sometimes criminals do not admit their crime, or their motivation. Police have noted that this is especially true with hoax-bombers. Hoax-bomb charges do not require a confession.

      • Cord

        links for police claims?

      • DrunkSpock

        The police claim that sometimes criminals lie? No, I’m not going to get you a link on that, it’s common sense. 14 y/o’s in trouble with the law sometimes lie about it.

        Can you find me a link that proves 14 y/o’s always tell the truth?

      • Cord

        “Police have noted that this is especially true with hoax-bombers.”

      • DrunkSpock

        “There definitely was some confusion and some level of information that didn’t come out immediately,” (Irving Police Chief) Boyd said, adding that in many cases, someone who would make a “hoax bomb” would not be likely to admit to doing so to police

        http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/irving-police-chief-admits-cops-knew-ahmed-mohamed-didnt-have-a-bomb-when-they-arrested-him/

      • DrunkSpock

        Muslim Group Doesn’t Fault School, Police for Detention of Ahmed Mohamed

        Muslim Islamaphobes? Maybe they just hate NASA.

    • Waldo

      live with it. until you renounce violent, islamist extremism (terrorists), you can continue to expect this.

  • Jester

    On the morning of Sept 14, Mohamed Mohamed drove his son Ahmed to school and during that drive “encouraged him to share his gift of technology” at the school. He was referring to a small plain metal case, inside of which contained the hastily arranged unshielded electronic components of a 1980’s Micronta digital alarm clock. A device Ahmed would repeatedly insist he threw together the night before in 15 minutes time out of “scraps” laying around his house that he himself considered to appear suspiciously threatening.

    So we are to understand that Mohamed, who runs the National Reform Party of Sudan, who is considered an enlightened scholar in Sudan and ran for its presidency twice in the last 5 years, who’s daughter was suspended from school for a bomb threat, who’s son was detained and suspended for multiple disciplinary problems and electronic pranks, on the first day back to school after the anniversary of 9-11, in a town recently rocked by a double murder honor killing and 25 minutes from the Garland TX Jihadi attack, encourages his son to bring in a nondescript metal case with a timer and loose wiring inside without being asked to by any teacher, a device even his son admits looked threatening and suspicious.

    Next we are told by Ahmed that he shows the device to his 1st period Science teacher who sensitively and politely tells him the device is “nice” but it looks like a bomb and so he should put it away and not take it out and show it to anyone else at school.

    Some accounts indicate that Ahmed proceeded to show off the device to each teacher all the way to 6th period where in English class, Ahmed claims to have plugged the device into the wall outlet and set the alarm to go off in the middle of class “to show a friend”, and that when the teacher reacted to the disruption he “unplugged it right away”. After showing the English teacher what caused the disruption, the teacher told him it looks like a bomb, to which Ahmed said “I don’t thing it looks like a bomb”. The device was confiscated and the Principal alerted. Later 3 teachers would sign a complaint to the police about a hoax bomb, as the Principal decided to contact the police on the issue.

    The police arrived at school and entered the conference room where Ahmed was detained and one officer claimed “that is who I thought it was”. Likely referring to Ahmed’s past troubles and his family’s notoriety. The police questioned Ahmed, and claimed he was not forthcoming, passive aggressive, and would not directly answer their questions. They decided to arrest him for possession of a hoax bomb and bring him to the police station where they would continue their investigation to determine whether he intended to raise alarm with his device, a Class A misdemeanor. Somehow Ahmed’s 18 yr old sister Eyman was present as the police led Ahmed out in handcuffs and took the photo which would later be spread on social media.

    Mohamed’s version of what happened next would have us believe his daughter never contacted him as she stood outside the conference room of the school waiting to photograph her brother.

    **The first he heard of it was when he received a call from police, who said his son was being charged with having a hoax bomb, Mohamed said.

    He rushed to the police station, where he saw his son “surrounded by five police and he was handcuffed,” the father said. Ahmed told his father he’d asked to phone him but the police told him he could not because he was under arrest, Mohamed said.

    “I asked if I could talk to or speak to my son and they told me, ‘No, not right now’ because they were taking his fingerprints and asking him questions,” Mohamed said. “I asked if I could see the thing they were calling a bomb. The police never let me even see it but I knew what my son brought to school. It was an alarm clock that he made. He wakes up with it most mornings. **

    Here we have Mohamed contradicting his son’s claim the device was hastily thrown together the night before. His credibility as a responsible parent and supervisor of his child already strained to the limit, he goes on to claim, “my son was hurt and tortured and arrested and mistreated in front of his friends at school”.

    After further questioning, the police could not find anything in Ahmed’s statements to indicate he intended to cause alarm, and released him without charge.

    The family went on to set off a social media firestorm portraying Ahmed as persecuted and harassed, “hurt and tortured” by Islamophobic xenophobic, vindictive officials from the school and police station, holding press conferences where suddenly their son was able to speak in great detail about the incident, as opposed to the “name rank and serial number” routine he gave the police.

    There was never a moment where Mohamed Mohamed expressed even a fraction of responsibility as the parent of Ahmed for this incident. No apology or humility, only strident arrogant and slanderous accusations issued from him. Even today as Ahmed has been seen laughing, joking, and smiling all across the USA as he visits dozens of august institutions and famous talk shows that roll out the red carpet for the self proclaimed “inventor of a clock”, his family insists Ahmed is “severely traumatized” and “lacking appetite and ability to sleep”. Furthermore Mohamed refused to accept the police repeated offer to come pick up the device, while hiring lawyers to sue the police, in part, for refusing to release the device to the family. Also effectively gagging the school and police from telling their side of the story to the media, while they continue to offer their unendingly contradictory version along side baseless and slanderous accusations against officials.

    According to Ahmed’s own words, his authority figure (Science teacher) confirmed Ahmed’s own perception and told him his device looked like a bomb and not to show it to anyone. Ahmed then set the alarm on the device in the middle of class. He had the intent to evoke some reaction. His actions were reckless, and arguably criminal. Yet the media continues to portray him as a persecuted victim, even as he and his family stood in NYC with the Mayor who proclaimed 9/29/2015 as “Ahmed day”, before flying to Mecca to thank Allah for their victory over the gullible infidels.

    In Heaven that day the Angels weeped while the Founding Father’s of America look on in astonishment at how far their republic has fallen.

    • Jester

      I have been linking to this small summary article of mine and offering the contents to be shared freely and without restriction. I encourage anyone else to do the same. You can link to a Disqus comment by right clicking on the time (displayed to the right of your user name) and choosing “copy link address”. It is that simple.

      • omarkos

        What is the source that Eyman took the photo?
        I’m trying to put together a synopsis as well.

      • Jester

        If you click on my profile and search through my comments you will find exact links to the tweets by Anil dash and Prajwol ru who both received the photo from Eyman on the 9/15-16, where they claim she also took the photo.

    • Back to Bizness

      According to captions on several sites, the photo of Ahmed was taken at the police station, not at the school. There’s no evidence that his sister was at the school when he was led away, or that she had any knowledge of the incident before her father.

      • Jester

        Those captions could be correct.

        The thing is, that photo does not exactly mesh with the Father’s claim.

        He rushed to the police station, where he saw his son “surrounded by five police and he was handcuffed,” the father said. Ahmed told his father he’d asked to phone him but the police told him he could not because he was under arrest, Mohamed said.

        “I asked if I could talk to or speak to my son and they told me, ‘No, not right now’ because they were taking his fingerprints and asking him questions,” Mohamed said.

        According to this statement, the father spoke to his son at the P.D. Yet he had to ask if he could speak to his son, and was told no because they were booking him.

        I should really amend that part of my summary until there is further proof of exactly where that photo was taken.

    • Back to Bizness
    • Ichabod Crain

      I think you missed the key as to why this wasn’t racism – school’s zero tolerance policies that forced their hand.

      • Jester

        I suppose I never thought to mention racism or even think to defend the authorities against it or any form of bigotry. There was alot I left out of that summary I suppose. When I reflect on the most overt signs of bigotry surrounding this event, they all project from things said by Ahmed and Mohamed, CAIR officials, and hard left leaning media talking heads.

        I think I should add something about the zero tolerance policy though, for the record. Good suggestion.

      • Ichabod Crain

        Here’s something for you totally unrelated. I decided to check out what might have been written about our clock boy on Wikipedia. When I typed in his name, I landed on a disambiguation page listing half a dozens Ahmad or Ahmed Muhammads. Then I noticed this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ahmad

        Apparently there was an historical figure in Sudan from the 19th century named Muhammad Ahmad who proclaimed himself the Mahdi (or Madhi), the messianic redeemer of the Islamic faith. He capitalized on the messianic beliefs popular among the various Sudanese religious sects of the time. The Mahdiyya, as Muhammad Ahmad’s movement was called, was influenced by earlier Mahdist movements in West Africa, as well as Wahabism and other puritanical forms of Islamic revivalism

        You suppose clock boy was named after him?

      • Jester

        Maybe. They are Sufi’s who generally consider themselves adherents to the essential teachings of the Koran and are very orthodox, like the Wahabbis, rejecting most all innovations in Sunni and Shia Islam.

        He could be the reincarnation of that figure. Allah sure has decided to acutely amplify his aura and influence quite suddenly at a pivotal moment in history.

    • mr. johnson

      is this posted somewhere so we can link to it ?

      • ProfElwood

        Right-click the time on the post and copy the link.

      • mr. johnson

        thanks !

      • Jester

        You can link to any comment on Disqus. To the right of the user name, there is a display for the time when the comment was posted. Right click on that, and chose “copy link address”. Paste that into any browser.

    • Jester

      there, cleaned it up a bit, and added a few things pursuant to some good suggestions made by others. I am happy with it enough to add my own up vote. Disqus is good for that.

      • DrunkSpock

        Yep, looks good. I noticed this little possible oops though: ‘…Ahmed said “I don’t thing it..’, I’m not sure if that’s actually what he said or a typo.

        Ever thought about cleaning up the Ahmed hoax-bomb wikipedia page? It’s atrocious.

      • Jester

        I never touch Wikipedia articles about highly controversial matters like this because there is always some troll who is being paid to undue whatever I might write, and is therefore a waste of my time.

      • DrunkSpock

        Yup. Same.

      • Algoria

        Well done!
        I hope you don’t mind if I point out a couple of typos/spelling errors.
        Paragraph 2: who’s s/b whose
        Last paragraph: father’s s/b fathers

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Ahmed’s Twitter postings are something else. It’s so nice to see him getting beyond the extreme trauma he suffered.

    • Jester

      When Mohamed’s legal team attempts to extort a settlement out of the city of Irving, the Mayor needs to call their bluff and tell them to take it to a Judge and Jury, then set up an internet crowdfunding campaign and next send out a mass mailing and e-mailing to the residents of Irving to rally their support by informing them the amount of money Mohamed’s lawyers attempted to extort from them, and to offer a few teaser facts they have in evidence to convince the citizens that not only will they win the defense, but will be able to countersue the Mohamed family for malicious prosecution and defamation.

      Then let the games begin.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Agreed. Texas lawyers know something about poker, and the city’s lawyers are holdin pocket aces. They will call the bluff, and Ahmed’s family will fold

  • Jester

    THANKS ALOT AHMED!

    MacArthur High students return to class after anonymous bomb threat prompts evacuation

    http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/09/macarthur-high-school-in-irving-evacuated-while-police-investigate-possible-hoax-threat.html/

    • TaiFood

      I wonder what capabilities Irving TX has to investigate the unknown number. Thanks @Jester for the timely update!

    • Ichabod Crain

      “Of course, you can’t blame him [Ahmed] for today’s scare: He’s no longer and Irving ISD student, and, besides, he’s not in town at the moment.”

      You certainly can blame him – for bringing all the negative attention down on the school.

      • Jester

        I posted a couple comments to that article, including a link here. The regular commentators there had conniption fits and threw their breakfast at me. I was extremely measured in my replies with no name calling etc (unlike here, LOL). By afternoon, all my comments had been removed.

    • DrunkSpock

      I’m sure they’ll be dealing with a lot more bomb threats now that terrorists know that the ‘punishment’ is a bunch of free stuff, the media calling you a genius and NYC literally declaring a day in your honor.

      • Jester

        And as a bonus, the sarcastic among us have received an unending supply of ammunition.

      • DrunkSpock

        I don’t know if we can handle it… If I facepalm any harder I think I could give myself a concussion. Maybe that’s part of their strategy.

  • TaiFood

    “…Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it…” Jonathan Swift 1710, ‘The Examiner’

    Why we comment in depth here…

    I posted a political cartoon and then a similar quote attributed to Winston Churchill.

    While technically accurate I delved into the quote because of the root evil of the fraud Clock “invention” is that propaganda is so effective yet must be checked by folks like us.

    How else does truth eventually prevail?

    If we were as lazy as the so called journalists that our society depends so much for our country to continue to exist.

    To that end I tracked down the gist of the truism that lies spread faster than truth to this link.

    http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/07/13/truth/

    Dear Quote Investigator: An insightful remark about the rapid transmission of lies is often attributed to Mark Twain. Here are two versions:

    (1) A lie travels around the globe while the truth is putting on its shoes.

    (2) A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on

    I have not found this statement in any of the books written by Twain; hence, I am skeptical of this ascription. Would you please examine this saying?

    Quote Investigator: A version of this adage was attributed to Mark Twain in 1919, but Twain died in 1910. QI believes that this evidence of a linkage was not substantive. Details of the 1919 citation are given further below.

    Metaphorical maxims about the speedy dissemination of lies and the much slower propagation of corrective truths have a very long history. The major literary figure Jonathan Swift wrote on this topic in “The Examiner” in 1710 although he did not mention shoes or boots. Boldface has been added to excerpts: 1

    Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      Nice work TaiFood. When men become undeceiv’d it is too late. Still, we fight on against deception.

  • TaiFood

    Just in case someone gets a hold of the clock or more images of the actual deconstructed clock I retrieved the service manual from Vintage Manuals which shows the schematics and parts lists for verification since the Ebay listing hasn’t surfaced since it sold for over $200 a few days ago.

    Cost was $7 ($3 s&h)

  • Don Grantham

    “It wouldn’t have happened if he were white.”
    True enough… a white boy wouldn’t have been able to cry religious and racial discrimination, or be able to milk the system for a Presidential visit, internships at fawning social media giants, or a truckload of swag.
    Nope. A white boy would have received whatever punishment deemed suitable, and we would never even have heard about it, because there would have been nothing for the media sharks to go on a feeding frenzy over.

  • http://artvoice.com/ Artvoice Webmaster

    http://universalmediagroup.newswire.com/press-release/dallas-pr-firm-works-around-the-clock-for-mohamed-family

    This was ironically sent to our editor, as part of a mass mailing – we obviously get all sorts of press releases, being in the business…

    • Jester

      As former Dallas ISD trustee Ron Price states, “It is time that we all become one.”

      If that doesn’t scare you into a fighting mood, nothing will.

      Just think of the coordination and strategy involved in those planning Ahmed’s “All One” (except white privileged haters) World Tour. When the Mayor of NYC proclaims “Ahmed day” and gives him the keys to the city, you know the Globalists are “all in” on this one.

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      That’s beautiful. Well, now you know who to contact to get an interview with Ahmed.

    • Ichabod Crain

      There are going to skillfully shape the message, making our job here all the more important.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Another pundit hoping to see Ahmed and the President posing with the “cool clock.” After he gets back from Qatar on the Ahmed World Tour. http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/29/severely-traumatized-clock-kid-ahmed-mohamed-will-go-to-qatar-for-some-reason/

    • Ichabod Crain

      Maybe the kid is going to end up radicalized in Qatar.

      • Jester

        If that could happen anywhere it would be Qatar. A young gullible naive Muslim would be shown only the glimmering surface of Qatar’s society and see it as some ideal to aspire too because he will only see the face of the clock and its precision, not realizing that everyone but the Absolute Monarch and his upper class are all just cogs in a gigantic slave state. Qatar is an exemplar of orthodox Wahabbism under Sharia law, and they exploit migrant labor in slave like conditions making the minimal concessions they must to retain some semblance of propriety in the international community, and are the mecca of money laundering and terror financing. What better place to convince him that America could be as wonderful as that if they would just bow to Allah and Sharia.

        Early reports were that they were headed to Mecca. Maybe 5000 people being trampled put a damper on that idea.

      • Jester

        – “According to the Dallas Morning News, Ahmed and his family have accepted an invitation extended by the Qatar Foundation for Education, Science and Community Development to visit Qatar. Their sister institution, the Qatar Foundation International (QFI) was founded by Sheikh bin Al Thani, who also created Al Jazeera. QFI has links to the Muslim Brotherhood (MB).

        Suspicious activity is a term that might be aptly applied to the Muslim Brotherhood-linked QFI. In 2012 QFI launched the Research Center for Islamic Legislation and Ethics. The Center’s director is Professor Tariq Ramadan, who is the grandson of the Muslim Brotherhood’s founder, Hassan al Banna. Ramadan was banned from coming to the United States until 2010 when the Obama administration granted him a visa to lecture at a school in New York. QFI has also instituted Sheikh Yusuf Al Qaradawi Scholarships, named after the notorious Egyptian cleric who twice turned down offers to be the MB’s highest-ranking official. Al Qaradawi has been documented endorsing the “abduction and killing of Americans in Iraq,” and the desire to end his life as a martyr by shooting “Allah’s enemies, the Jews.”

        (many of the claims in the above paragraphs were hyperlinked, and those links can be found in the main article)

        http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260279/ahmed-mohameds-qatari-vacation-muslim-brotherhood-arnold-ahlert#.VgxPo1sZ04U.twitter

  • mohametanus

    bottom line, Satans sht elected alias Obama and America is no more.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Just watched again Ahmed’s Al Jazeera interview. When asked why his teachers thought he had a hoax bomb, he says because I’m Muslim. Makes sense. How could it look suspicious since he used a thin cable to close the case.

    • DrunkSpock

      Only ‘Islamaphobes’ have some sort of problem with opaque, closed, tied shut cases (with no visible or accessible display or interface), plugged into the wall and beeping by surprise in the middle of a crowded class room. What English teacher wouldn’t be impressed by that?

    • Jester

      The grooming of the Manchurian Madhi continues apace.

  • TaiFood

    We couldn’t have invented this if we tried…

    Posted 2009 one of “Family Guy”‘s many jokes…

    Palestinian Alarm Clock

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7_0NoRHOEM

    I mean come on…foreshadowing or “bright idea”

    • Ichabod Crain

      Now that would wake you up! …but you would wake up dead.

      • DrunkSpock

        Mondays…

        Sometimes I think I would prefer the clock.

  • TaiFood

    What’s the word for American-phobic?

    Fascism?

    Except “Google” defines that as extreme right-wing…when I looked up extreme left-wing I only got “far left..” . I think Google is missing the boat on this one. So I poise it in light of the main stream media all but calling out Irving Texas as fascist, which is really what we are defending against by outing the fraudsters, isn’t it?

    I want to give the kudo’s to @Thought Police!

    Here’s a question brilliantly poised about five days ago by @Thought Police replying to @Christopher Flores:

    “If the country were Islamophobic like the way, say, Libya is Christian-o-phobic (there isn’t even a word for that!!??), or Atheist-o-phobic…”???

    _________________________________
    Thought Police Christopher Flores • 5 days ago

    “I’m looking at those facts and still seeing holes in the logic.”

    What are they?

    “He’s 14 in a country that has embraced Islamophobia”

    14 doesn’t preclude him from race baiting.

    If the country is Islamophobic, then why did everyone from the media to POTUS universally support Ahmed?.

    If the country were Islamophobic like the way, say, Libya is Christian-o-phobic (there isn’t even a word for that!!??), or Atheist-o-phobic, Ahmed would be dead and/or in jail right now.

    • Daily Gut Check

      LOL!!! Laughably absurd.

      • TaiFood

        @dailygutcheck:disqus
        You happen to make my point since you added no constructive feedback.

        For example, name 10 things you admire about the United States.

      • TaiFood

        Note how the author of the comment @Daily Gut Check DELETED the unsupportable comment instead of defending it.

        This is how “they” try to debate.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Another Micronta 63-765 on eBay. Bidding starting at 40.

    • TaiFood

      I looked but didn’t find any listing. If you have any more info I’m interested.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Search under “micronta alarm clock”. Scroll down a ways..auction ends in 6 days. It’s beat up, and the price indicates seller knows what he has but unlike last seller, he is not advertising it as like Ahmed’s

      • TaiFood

        Boom. Not sure how I missed it. Thanks! Long 4 days ahead. Might be a crowdfunding candidate! LOL

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Fascinating to see what is happening with these clocks. Btw there is a Micronta 63-766 model selling any moment now. Much lower price. Bidding is just over a buck! It is a 1989 model according to Radio Shack catalogue. Very similar but different buttons. Might be worth opening to compare with photos of Ahmed’s clock.. See if similar components watermarks etc.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Btw bidding is ending on a very similar model any minute now. It’s a 63-766 (radio shack catalogue shows it at 1989, two years after the 63-766. Bidding is at 1.25 last I saw.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        similar display, different buttons setup. Might be worth looking at the inside to see if they match up with components described by Anthony here, such as silkscreened m, circuit board, etc. looks like same display same size. Look up micronta alarm clock, first I think

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        40 minutes til that auction ends. Might be cheap way to get going on this.

      • TaiFood

        Yeah I saw that one too. Not sure how to handle chasing my tail on this. Shipping is still $15.50, not that I think that’s too high considering the one off issues of selling stuff. But not sure I want to get caught up in what could become an endless chase. Less than 30 minutes….tick tock

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Time will come to get a cheap one but I’m betting someone else independently verifies Anthony’s theory before I have to plunk down $.

      • TaiFood

        Same thoughts too. We’ll see how the 63-765 auction goes.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        And sold for 14.50. With 15 bucks shipping. Someone was lurking on that clock. Hope that was you or someone inclined to investigate this further. Who else wants a 25 year old radio shack clock? Hmmm, I do understand the President is partial to them.

  • Jester

    Frontpage mag hits one out of the park with this thoroughly sourced comprehensive summary of the saga.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260279/ahmed-mohameds-qatari-vacation-muslim-brotherhood-arnold-ahlert#.VgxPo1sZ04U.twitter

  • Yep

    This:
    “If we accept the story about “inventing” an alarm clock is made up, as I think I’ve made a pretty good case for, it’s fair to wonder what other parts of the story might be made up, not reported factually by the media, or at least, exaggerated”.

    Plus this:
    “Correction: A reader and commenter, Joe Donaldson, tracked down the clock in a Radio Shack catalog dated 1986. It’s likely that my guess of mid-to-late 70s was off by a bit, and it’s now obvious it was a model that was for sale in the mid 80s”

    Equals this:

    If we accept the story about this being a mid-to-late 70s vintage clock as being untrue, it’s fair to wonder what other parts of the story might be made up.

    Perhaps, from the boy’s perspective, taking the guts from an older clock (or clocks) and reconstructing them in a pencil box equates to “inventing” and that’s the end of the story. No big hoax. No big conspiracy. Just a kid taking something he “built” to school to show his teacher, perhaps so he would stand out in the teacher’s eyes.

    • Jester

      And so it continues…

      Somebody got this? I’ve got errands today.

    • TaiFood

      @Yep:disqus
      I’m assuming you are new to the discussion. Low information considering the article and the media coverage, etc. BUT here goes…

      That’s what should be expected from some neophyte, but this kid turns out not so naive.

      The family is accustomed to controversy so, again straining credibility, someone whose sister was suspended a few years back for alleged bomb threats (which she denies), father who (not credibly) championed his son’s apparent mastery of technology [sarcasm intended], whose uncle’s truck displays Twin Towers Transportation, on 9/14 (read: in the days after 9/11 anniversary-a date most Americans take pause), whose initial teacher told him of his concerns and admonished him NOT to show it, and then the kid plugs the clock into an outlet, sets the alarm, then once the prank advances gives no reasonable explanation.

      No doubt at BEST an ill intended prank, the information to refute an innocent mishap piles on…

      So once someone looks beyond the thin veneer ,the shock of continued praise for a prank leads some of us to push for something closer to the truth than what was the knee jerk responses.

      Can you at least see why another point of view than yours exist besides bigotry or other nonsense?

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      Okay, yep, let’s assume he took it to his first teacher innocently. By Ahmed’s own admission, the first teacher “was impressed but he advised me not to show it to anyone else.” Asked why the teacher told him that, Ahmed said the teacher told him “it looked like a bomb.” That’s Ahmed’s own words. (Chris Hayes MSN interview). So even assuming Ahmed had no ulterior motive when he took it to school, it its unreasonable to believe that he acted innocently when he plugged it in and activated the alarm during a subsequent class (which could not happen without plugging it in). That’s discounting other accounts that Ahmed told him he showed it to other teachers after being told it looked like a bomb. (Mark Cuban.) There it is. You can fault the school and the police for their reactions if you wish, but no way does his innocent attempt to impress his teachers withstand scrutiny. Arguing he did not intentionally provoke a reaction is a nonstarter to any reasonable debate on the facts.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        And then, throw in the undisputed fact that his sister had been suspended for making a bomb threat at school, how in the world could Ahmed continue to display or activate the device in school after being told by a teacher not to show it because it looked like a bomb. Other than a winning smile, no one can point to ANY relevant evidence that Ahmed did not act intentionally in provoking a response. None. Zero. Bupkis.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Yep, with all due respect, I do not expect you to respond further, unless you want to move on to the separate issue of the school’s reaction. That is at least subject to some debate –I think the school and police actions were justifiable, but many will differ with me. But Ahmed the innocent guileless inventor. …that is unsupportable and I defy all challengers to bring facts to show otherwise. So when NYC calls him a role model…NYC of all places– that cannot stand.

      • Jester

        His supporters want us all to believe he is some sort of innocent young genius and prodigy, yet not only did Ahmed think his device looked suspicious and threatening but his Science teacher agreed and told him not to show it to anyone. His own sister was suspended for making a bomb threat. So what does the genius do? He plugs in the device that looks suspiciously like a bomb, and sets the alarm to go off in the middle of English class. Then has the nerve to disagree with his English teacher who says she thinks it resembles a bomb. True genius right? Perhaps diabolical genius.

        So what does that tell us about the mental capacity of everyone who believes these are the actions of a genius who should be celebrated around the world? Are they his diabolical minions?

        The movie titled Idiocracy predicted these days and the days ahead in an exaggerated comedic but accurate fashion.

    • Ichabod Crain

      Trust me – if you were an electronics professional, or even just a hobbyist, you would not have written this comment. There is no doubt whatsoever at this point the Ahmed clock-boy Muhammad is a fraud as far as his story of being an inventor goes. Think about that.

    • ProfElwood

      Ahmed himself has answered that question several times. For instance, in the Al Jeeraz interview where he interjected that the stories of a working clock were wrong — he had built it from scraps.

  • TaiFood

    FYI that case comes in quite of few variations including a number of TRANSPARENT covers.

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0090J60YW/ref=twister_B00K7W4IPE?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Ahmed now is tweeting link to UNICEF pictures of global migrant crisis. Now, I am sympathetic to the plight of people in war-torn lands, but Ahmed going from Presidents cool clock science spokesman kid to the migrant crisis is noteworthy.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Lest we forget, here is what President Obama’s aide said after the President’s tweet to Ahmed: “This episode is a good illustration of how pernicious stereotypes can prevent even good-hearted people who have dedicated their lives to educating young people from doing the good work that they set out to do.” I’m not resting until the White House retracts that.

    • Ichabod Crain

      “Pernicious stereotypes ” rather than “zero tolerance policies” being the reason Ahmed was detained by the police?. Obama was able to make a judgement way back when the story was only a few days old – or was it less? Talk about a rush to judgement – he should know better than to respond with a knee jerk reaction. Probably had a list – of favours owed for campaign donations. At the top of the list some Muslin foundation or the MB, whatever, and a note “At first opportunity, do something for the Muslim brothers.” Cross another favour owed off the list, Mr. Obama.

      • Jhren

        Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity.

      • DrunkSpock

        That’s overly generous, plausible deniability only stretches so far.

        For example by your standard, maybe the terrorists on 9/11 were actually trying to land the planes safely they were just really, really, really bad at it.

      • Jhren

        No, see, because they were trained pilots with pilots’ licenses and it’s not possible they were that stupid.

        This is where the words, “what CAN be attributed to stupidity,” apply.

        But even those terrorists can serve as an example in a larger sense, as their actions were motivated by their stupid, uncritical beliefs. Stupidity is the root cause of most human suffering.

      • DrunkSpock

        Their instructors even stated they were idiots. ‘No interest in landing’.

        You have solved terrorism for us. Obviously, there is no such thing it’s simply a matter of misunderstood stupidity.

      • Jhren

        Unless you’re saying their beliefs weren’t stupid and uncritical, or they weren’t motivated by them, I don’t know what logical criticism you can have of what I said.

      • Jester

        Using your standard of ambiguous moral relativism, there is no way to judge whether someone has ill intent, because they may believe that when a girl is raped that it is the best thing for her and for society to be stoned to death for indecent exposure, tempting a man, disqualifying herself as a bride, and dishonoring her family.

        They were just guilty of having a stupid belief system and lacked critical self analysis, which is a result of innocent naivety at worst.

      • Jhren

        I’m honestly not going to read any further than “moral relativism”. Sorry.

        Same goes for you Spock. You’re not criticizing logically.

      • DrunkSpock

        Sure, go invent some more lies about mythical home-soldered 4-bit cpu’s for us. Thanks.

      • Jester

        Well, I guess your 15 minutes of fame here is over. Lots of windmills to tilt at over at Breitbart. Off you go! Don’t let the door hit you too hard on the way out! Toodles!

      • Jhren

        Windmills, says the “moral relativism” guy.

      • DrunkSpock

        You’re selectively attributing terrorism to ignorance and I’m saying, ‘that doesn’t hold water, look, if it did, it would hold water here and it obviously does not’.

        It’s become clear to me that you are OK with being dishonest (and by extension, disingenuous), if it helps you promote the narrative you are here for.

      • Jester

        He has learned from the master.

      • TaiFood

        Imagine the 3000 lives plus the thousands to be lost due to the illnesses directly linked to that day not to mention the untold losses incurred plus the national fabric ripped apart and the transportation costs exponentially incurred if so called “Islamophobia” were actually a reality.

        Do we forget so soon how Osama Bin Laden masterminded that heinous day AND some 8 years after the 1300 lbs Ryder truck bomb at the World Trade Center. One thing for sure it is not bigotry. WE could be the stupid ones.

      • TaiFood

        Fanaticism…stupidity? Are they synonymous?

        The reason they flew planes into two skyscrapers were due largely to their irrationality or whatever it is that allows people to commit suicide in the name of their religious fanaticism. Now that could be attributed to stupidity since it’s not the LEADERS putting the vests on or otherwise self-eliminating themselves.

        The fact that they were able to PURCHASE their access to flying lessons without raising national suspicion is EXACTLY the reason we need to be vigilant against classroom pranks using faux bombs facsimiles.

      • Ichabod Crain

        “Islamist Campaign Donors Overwhelmingly Back Democrats”

        An analysis of federal campaign contributions finds that key figures at six of America’s most prominent Islamist organizations have favored Democrats over Republicans by a ratio of 12 to 1 since the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Their preference for Democrats has solidified during the past 13 years and shows no signs of waning. What does this say about the politicians who benefit from Islamist largesse?

        Among the top 20 donors are CAIR executive director Nihad Awad, who has contributed under numerous variants of his name; former MAS president and current CAIR national board member Esam Omeish, who resigned from a Virginia immigration panel in 2007 after a video emerged of his speech touting the Palestinians’ embrace of “the jihad way” against Israel; and Zead Ramadan, the CAIR-New York board member who unsuccessfullyran for New York City Council in 2013.

        Islamist-affiliated individuals presumably support Democrats for the same reason that other subsets of Americans throw their weight behind certain politicians and parties: they expect Democrats to support them, at least at the level of providing the best political landscape in which to pursue their objectives.

        Islamists intend to alter the fabric of the liberal democratic system, a goal characterized by the Muslim Brotherhood, in a memorandum outlining its North American strategy, as “a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within,” culminating in Islamic rule.

        http://www.islamist-watch.org/17912/islamist-campaign-donors-overwhelmingly-back

        “MEET OBAMA’S MILLION DOLLAR MUSLIM DONOR”

        http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/148200/meet-obamas-million-dollar-muslim-donor-daniel-greenfield

        “Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign”

        A pair of Palestinian brothers named Hosam and Monir Edwan contributed more than $31,300 to the Obama campaign in October and November 2007, FEC records show.
        http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Obama-fundraising-illegal/2008/09/29/id/325630/

      • Jester

        silly Jihadists and their stupid belief system. They just need a loving person to sit them down and explain to them that people don’t want to be oppressed and forced to believe in their god and their beliefs on threat of death, and they will certainly realize their mistake and humbly change their minds and go back to living in countries run by like minded people.

        Why didn’t we think of that??

      • Jhren

        Yes, and what’s lacking from that analysis is perspective. Example:

        There are currently 2 Muslim members of Congress, and both are Democrats. In other words, 100% of Muslims in Congress are Democrats.

        There are currently 28 Jewish members of Congress, and 27 are Democrats. In other words, 96% of Jews in Congress are Democrats.

        Is the Democratic party more Jewish or Muslim?

        Since every Muslim elected to any federal office so far has been a Democrat, it’s not surprising that the Democratic party is the one an Islamist organization would support. But non-Islamist Muslims also overwhelmingly favor Democrats, as do Jews, as do Buddhists, as do every other religious minority.

        Republicans right now have only one non-Christian in all of Congress: Lee Zeldin, who is also their one remaining Jew. Republicans generally don’t vote for non-Christians and non-Christians don’t vote for them. So with that in mind, saying Islamist organizations overwhelmingly favor Democrats is kind of obvious.

      • TaiFood

        Decent analysis. Do you have references for the religious preferences for our elected leaders?

        I’m concerned that religious minorities think the Democratic party gives them some political clout considering their legacy of cronyism. Not to say Republicans are any less but less government seems to favor religion specifically.

        Assuming stats bear out your analysis, I think if you focus on the urban vs. suburban vs. rural communities you will find why minorities align with Democrats. If you look at the blue/red maps it seems to me that large population centers are where the government largess is concentrated.

        Some other random factor such as, say, using your logic people who eat hummus are usually contribute more to Democrats than Republicans. Maybe the main stream media’s constant pull to try to call out Republicans as bigots influences why minorities tend to vote for the Democratic party.

        The tactics of divisiveness are powerful. Notice how the discussion of illegal immigration never stays with the not legal aspects of the discussion and instead the implication is to indict, like the President constantly tries to do, based on bigotry of some type. The bigotry to me seems focused from the left to the right in this election cycle.

      • Jhren

        References:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicians
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Muslims
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/congress-religious-affiliation_n_6417074.html

        If you don’t trust those links, you can verify it yourself. It’s not a secret. In fact, it’s something everyone should be aware of. Certainly it’s something Jews and Muslims are aware of. And Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, LGBTs, etc.

        I’m sure urban vs. rural population is a contributing factor, but that’s not all it’s about. Accusations of prejudice, whether true or false, don’t come out of nowhere. If Lee Zeldin leaves, Republicans will have zero elected Jews in their national party. They’ll be a Jew-free party. They’re already Muslim-free, LGBT-free, etc. Does that happen by accident?

      • TaiFood

        Thank you for taking time for those links, seems sufficient.

        It poses an interesting set if statistics but religious minorities of 35 plus or minus out of 535 … say 7% rounding up.

        I’d say it is the atheists who are actually in need of support since they make up a much larger portion of our population yet unrepresented faction in our society if Congress were meant to be representative but obviously there is no way it possibly could be.

        What policies of the Democrats attract such a loyal following? Inclusion? If you study how the Democrats somehow went from racist to altruism I believe you’ll find manipulation instead of good will, in my opinion.

        In any case thanks for the stats I’ll mull them over for a bit to see if it interests me.

      • Jester

        the only way to persuade others to help you achieve a idealistic goal based in delusion and not reality, one they would never agree to help you work towards, is to resort to manipulation and coercion.

      • Jhren

        I don’t know. This has been going on for a long time and the list of what they’ve done would be very long, and maybe what they haven’t done is just as important.

      • Algoria

        Based on the few comments of yours that I’ve read here, and on another site, I have the impression you are somewhat liberal or leftist politically – maybe you actually said that somewhere in this discussion. If you are of a liberal persuasion, I appreciate your willingness to be objective about this incident. Most liberals seem to be part of a hive mind about this event. They also seem angry. I don’t see that in you and I congratulate you for that as well.

      • Jhren

        I think people just get taken in by bad initial reporting and once groupthink sets in, they don’t want to change their minds. The story originally reported – “They thought it was a bomb”, the kid who invented his own digital clock, and Irving, which does have a bad reputation – spread quickly through the copy/paste traditional media and the blogosphere and made for some very clear-cut conclusions that a lot of people, including apparently the President’s press team, easily accepted. And it became an echo chamber and still is.

        But:

        https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2543/9943/original.jpg?w=800&h

        ^ If you go to conservative blogs you’ll find that being called a briefcase. And they’re talking about countdown timers when (AFAIK) there’s no real evidence of that, all kinds of conspiracy theories, etc.

        All I really know at this point is that it looks like Ahmed and his family haven’t been completely honest. I don’t have any idea what this is really about.

        And you’re picking a bad week to ask me for money.

      • Algoria

        I said it was a tiny briefcase, which it was. I also said Hollywood-style countdown timer, which it certainly resembled. You had to open the case, which Ahmed admitted was wrapped with a cable to avoid suspicion, in order to even see the digital display. That’s not any kind of “cool” clock, but it does look like a cool hoax bomb. Ahmed also admitted that his science teacher, who didn’t show any fear of the device, asked him to stop showing it around because he said it looked like a bomb.

        Most everyone agrees it was never intended to be a real bomb. I’m sure you could have put enough C4 in it to do some damage to those around it. However, discerning people think it looks like a fake bomb of the type used as a movie prop, except put together by a 14 year old non-genius. It’s a crime in Texas to hoax people with a fake bomb, but in this case the evidence is purely circumstantial since he never referred to it as a bomb. Whether it was a childish prank or an attempt to create havoc in the school is anyone’s guess. The father seems to be a strange individual though who claims the police tortured his son, which I doubt.

        I’ll be interested to see if the “cool clock” ever makes it to the White House and if so what can possibly be said about it by Obama that won’t sound ridiculous.

      • Jhren

        I was just referring to claims being made on some blogs. There seem to be quite a few people who think it was an actual briefcase and a countdown clock.

        About MIT, NASA, Obama etc., is it possible that they all jumped on the bandwagon because they sincerely believed he was wrongfully arrested because of prejudice and wanted to support him?

      • Jester

        I believe many parties who are driven by nothing but emotion and brainwashed by leftist ideology did just that. Had a shallow glimpse and jumped the gun believing they had yet another example to support their delusions.

        Time passes and the truth comes out. Unfortunately some of them are so far sold out to their “beliefs” that they ignore the truth and double down on their crusade just because they can and believe everyone else is too stupid to see they are naked.

      • Algoria

        I may have missed them but I haven’t seen any comments claiming it was a full-sized briefcase or a countdown clock.

        Regarding Ahmed’s prominent supporters, it’s hard to know their motivation, but if those who showered Ahmed with accolades and gifts have any integrity they should one day state that they have reconsidered their initial reaction. This will never happen with most of them. Many of them are so committed to liberal and left-wing ideologies that they will not see the truth, even if it is ever fully discovered.

        Obama strikes me as particularly dishonest, even for a politician. Many of his supporters seem to hate Republicans more than they do the Islamist enemies of America. Admittedly the politically conservative side is problematic as well, but since we have to choose, then it seems best to pick the lesser of evils.

      • Jhren

        I’ve seen plenty of comments on various articles calling it a briefcase with no reference to its size. Regardless, calling it a tiny briefcase isn’t true. It’s not a briefcase. And it’s only a countdown timer if the clock counts down instead of up. Otherwise, it’s a clock.

        And you don’t really think that many of Obama’s supporters (including me, and most people I know – I live in a place where the vast majority voted for him) would prefer Islamic dictatorship to Republicans, do you? If that’s actually what you think, you really don’t understand us.

        The vast majority of people who took Ahmed’s side did so because they read a news story that APPEARED to be about a teenager who invented a clock as a science project and was arrested and interrogated because his idiot school thought it was a bomb. Most people have a simple, understandable reaction to that kind of story, and then move on with their lives. It’s only those who follow political blogs (and mainly right-wing blogs in this case) who keep rehashing it over and over, eagerly following every new detail that comes out. We still don’t have any idea what’s happened. The most we can conclusively say is that Ahmed’s been exaggerating his accomplishments. There seems to be more going on, but there’s been no smoking gun as yet.

      • Algoria

        Now you’re just splitting hairs. It’s a large pencil case shaped like a briefcase capable of holding a lot of junk as shown in the picture you provided or a tiny replica briefcase.capable of holding a lot of junk as shown in the picture you provided

      • Ichabod Crain

        The most we can conclusively say is that Ahmed’s been exaggerating his accomplishments – and is undeserving of the broad accolades he has received when there must be many thousands more deserving.

        A search for proportional justice is what motivates me, since I don’t follow political blogs (and mainly right-wing blogs in this case).

      • ProfElwood

        As far as I can tell, this was the original story, which clearly stated that it was considered a hoax bomb. The only claim to it being a bomb was in Ahmed’s quotes.

        I’m thinking it was changed to “teacher mistook it for a bomb” to reinforce the meme. I’m amazed at how many city papers use those words in their title, subtitle, or picture title. Has anyone seen any paper issue a retraction?

        http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/northwest-dallas-county/headlines/20150915-irving-ninth-grader-arrested-after-taking-homemade-clock-to-school.ece

      • Jhren

        That’s not the original story. At least not in the original form. You can see the headline says “teen’s story floods social media,” meaning that’s after the original reporting. The way it was reported originally was, “They thought it was a bomb.” Some places kept saying that for several days: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22they+thought+it+was+a+bomb%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

      • DrunkSpock

        Accusations of prejudice, whether true or false, don’t come out of nowhere. Where else would false accusations come from? The future? Prophecies? Brain Tumors? False = without logical origin

        Besides, the Republican party is allowed to be as homogenous as they want, it might be out of their control. Are they supposed to kidnap the first transexual jew they can find and bribe them into being ‘republican’ for you? Would you believe it if they did? Besides, the republicans have plenty of variety, Bobby Jindhal, Ben Carson, that guy in florida that is part snake. Does your party have any snake-men?

        http://www.patrickstomlinson.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/why_wont_rick_scott_disclose_his_companys_secret_legal_settlements.jpg
        https://robbinsrealm.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/dreamscape-4.jpg

      • Jhren

        “Besides, the republicans have plenty of variety, Bobby Jindhal, Ben Carson” – One Indian and one black guy isn’t “plenty of diversity”. Piyush “Bobby” Jindal is literally the only Indian Republicans have ever elected to anything. Both Indian Americans and black Americans vote Democratic by huge majorities.

      • DrunkSpock

        What are you, the diversity police?

      • Jhren

        You’re missing the point. The problem isn’t lack of diversity, although diversity is good. Lack of diversity is just an indicator of the real problem. The reason Republicans have never elected a Muslim is the same reason they’ve never elected an open LGBT person, or a Hindu, or a Buddhist, and why virtually every demographic except white Christians and Cubans reliably votes Democratic. It’s also the same reason they refuse to accept any major scientific discovery made since 1850, why the cling to discredited nonsense like trickle-down economics, why they have no presence in academia and people with postgraduate educations don’t vote for them, why their Presidential candidates deny the Big Bang, etc. etc. etc. They’re narrow-minded.

      • DrunkSpock

        No one can make them run under the Republican ticket, despite your assertion that we somehow should. If they want to run as a Republican, good luck to them. There is a reason they don’t and it’s ‘they want to win’. They have more voters on the other side, so that’s who they pander to. Like I said, a lot of it is out of the Republican’s control. I’m sure they would appreciate more diversity but in the land of the free, no one can tell you what party you belong to.

        You’re just trying to establish a narrative that ‘of course the republicans are bigoted’. That is itself bigoted. Like I pointed out, they have diversity, maybe not enough to satisfy you, but who cares? Their job is not to appease you. If you want pandered to, stick with the Democrats.

        I am a liberal, personally I don’t particularly care for Republicans but I will vehemently defend their rights as I’m sure they would do for me.

      • Jhren

        “You’re just trying to establish a narrative that ‘of course the republicans are bigoted’. That is itself bigoted.”

        Are you out of your Vulcan mind? Jews and Muslims both voted for Obama by 75%, as did 72% of Hispanics, 77% of Asian Americans (and 80% of Japanese Americans), 85% of Indian Americans, 90% of Native Americans, 95% of black Americans, etc., etc., etc.

        White Christians are the only demographic group (other than Cubans) who reliably vote Republican. They’re the only group the Republican message appeals to. Am I really supposed to believe that’s an accident? Is everyone other than white Christians just incapable of thinking for themselves?

        And it’s also purely coincidental that they’ve never elected an openly LGBT person to anything? 100% of elected LGBT people have been Democrats but the other party isn’t prejudiced against them at all?

        When Jews and Muslims both vote for one party by a 3 to 1 ratio, something about the other party clearly isn’t right.

      • DrunkSpock

        All those statistics demonstrate is that the voters are biased against Republicans. That is not the Republicans fault or their responsibility to correct. We should elect bad leaders because they fill out a race/religion demographic? Or we should tell Republicans what to believe so they more effectively pander to these demographics? Totally unacceptable and un-American.

        If people have good ideas and they run a good campaign, they’ll win. If not, they won’t. Race/religion irrelevant. It’s not the Republicans obligation to ‘diversify’ simply to appease your arbitrary standards. Frankly, it’s a stupid suggestion.

      • Jhren

        “All those statistics demonstrate is that the voters are biased against Republicans.”

        I see. So every ethnic and religious group other than white Christians is biased. White Christians are the least biased people of all. That’s your explanation? Have you considered the fact that it fits in perfectly with a belief in white supremacy?

      • DrunkSpock

        Are you implying there are no White Christian Democrats?

      • Jhren

        1. You don’t seem to be answering the question.

        2. I don’t understand how you get that implication from my last comment.

      • DrunkSpock

        There is no question, you’re just attacking republicans. What you’re calling ‘a question’, is an insistence that other people agree with you (to validate your witchhunt). I don’t, it’s ridiculous. And you implied that White Christians only vote Republican. That’s obviously wrong. Some of them do, some of them don’t.

      • Algoria

        White supremacy? Here you are claiming that most white Christians are racists. Because after all, they vote Republican, so skin color must be their only criterion. Social and economic policies are irrelevant to white Christian racists I suppose.

        It’s so easy for liberals such as yourself to get away with calling others racists in this current emotional political atmosphere where reason is often ignored or shouted down. It’s effective too. In my previous comment to you I drew your attention to a liberal guy calling you a concern troll and a racist, merely because you questioned some of the hype around the “cool clock.” Well, are you a racist? No? Likely story, we know all about your kind.

        In 2004, 32% of white Christians voted for John Kerry and 67% for George Bush. Both claimed to be Christians and both are white.

        In 2008, 34% of white Christians voted for Barak Obama and 65% voted for John McCain. Both claimed to be Christians but Obama, who is half African and half Caucasian, identifies as black. (This election occurred after his pastor of 20 years had been exposed as a black liberationist who famously shouted, “God damn America!” and said, with dramatic swooping gestures, that 9/11 with its 3000 innocent dead was America’s chickens coming home to roost. What a callous jerk!)

        In 2012 even after Obama revealed that he had been lying all along about his belief that marriage “could only extend to heterosexual couples”, he still got 30% of the white Christian vote as opposed to Romney’s 69%.

        Axelrod writes that he knew Obama was in favor of same-sex marriages during the first presidential campaign, even as Obama publicly said he only supported civil unions, not full marriages. Axelrod also admits to counseling Obama to conceal that position for political reasons.
        TIME Magazine Axelrod: Obama Misled Nation When He Opposed Gay Marriage In 2008
        http://time.com/3702584/gay-marriage-axelrod-obama/

        It’s religious, social, cultural and economic issues that motivate most Christians, not racism.

      • Ichabod Crain

        They don’t like women, minorities, or immigrants. Then how in the world do they ever get enough votes to elect a president or control Congress? Maybe it’s the Mormons? Do they have Mormon? I don’t get it. (But I’m not an American. There must be some kind of American logic to it I am not privy to.)

      • Jhren

        They get barely enough, and also, in American politics, voter turnout is a major factor. For example, Republicans won the elections in in 2014, but voter turnout that year was lower than in any election since the Second World War. Only 36% of the eligible population voted, and 75% of those voters were white: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/11/10/voter-turnout-in-2014-was-the-lowest-since-wwii/

        Republican strategy is to win elections by getting white Christians angry. If they get them really angry, they can make up for their lower numbers by higher turnout.

      • ProfElwood

        I’m a Libertarian, the kind that runs for office knowing that there’s pretty much no chance of actually winning. They just did a recent religious survey and found out that the party is pretty much split down the middle, athiest and Christian, with a smattering of other beliefs.

        It wasn’t something that I was expecting, but it wasn’t even slightly a concern either. I’d feel quite comfortable with Buddhist, atheist, or Jewish libertarians, simply because the goal of the party is to let everyone practice their beliefs, or not, without interference.

        It only becomes an issue when the government starts taking over parts of our lives, like how educate our kids, pay for our medical care, or help others.

        When the makeup of the party is more important than the principles, something is wrong.

      • Jester

        People with certain beliefs, who act or are planning to act on those beliefs, need to be interfered with. That is one of the few valid duties of a government by the way.

      • ProfElwood

        Defense, yes. Police, courts, and armed forces fall under that (though using the armed forces for “protecting our interests” doesn’t).

        The government system of Islam isn’t compatible with liberty, as far as I can tell.

      • Jester

        Thus, the governing members of a community must be intelligent and vigilant to profile and discriminate regarding those who wish to cross the borders and enter the community for any length of stay. And further be strong and courageous enough to prevent certain parties from entering.

      • Jhren

        That doesn’t surprise me about Libertarians.

        I wasn’t trying to say makeup is more important than principle. I think it’s more that makeup results from principle.

      • ProfElwood

        That would explain why Democrats are pushing division so hard. It seems they depend on it.

      • Jhren

        The Dems are the only major party who actually elect people of all religions…

      • ProfElwood

        The very fact that you think a Jew or Muslim leader is important is exactly what I find disturbing.

      • Jhren

        I think it’s important not to be prejudiced against them.

      • TaiFood

        “…I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character…”

        Martin Luther King, Jr.

      • ProfElwood

        There is no difference between being prejudiced against a group and being prejudiced for them.

        Apathy is the goal.

      • Jhren

        OK then, we agree.

      • Mary Carpenter

        Ruh Row!

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        With all due respect, if it’s the White House that acted stupidly, then malice or not, calling educators bigots without justification is shameful. Acting stupidly, well, I’ve kind if grown to expect that from the White House over the past 20 years or so if not more. Still, it’s not a pass to call someone a bigot out of stupity. Before one does that, I’d say that one–especially the executive office of our country– ought to get its facts straight. Besides shameful, I’d say it’s dangerous. Any surprise the educators got death threats?

      • Jhren

        You’re right, it is shameful.

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Cuz, stupid people are never malicious?

        Sounds like an excuse Hillery uses all the time. “You mean wipe it with a cloth?”

      • TaiFood

        You focus on the stupidity of the deceased as opposed to the malice of those who deceived them. Hanlon’s Razor doesn’t apply…Occam’s Razor does.

    • craigvan

      I heard weeks ago that the English teacher who referred Ahmed to the principal was getting death threats.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        It’s true. The White House called that teacher a racist.

    • Ichabod Crain

      The truth, that it was zero tolerance policies that were Ahmed’s downfall, doesn’t fit with Obama’s narrative, so it had to be disposed of.

  • Asura

    This article can be summed up as a moron thinking there is something nefarious if a young boy wants to show off his tinkering but isn’t downright amazing at it, because why would you wanna discuss how electronics work with a teacher unless you’re a downright wiz-kid prodigy superstar!

    Therefore, shadowy Muslim race-baiting stuff! (And while you don’t type that outright, that’s the perspective a massive amount of your commentors are rolling with thanks to your starting point.)

    • craigvan

      There’s a vast difference between engineering plagiarism and “wiz-kid prodigy superstar!”.

      • Asura

        Congrats for demonstrating you didn’t manage to successfully read what I wrote.

    • DrunkSpock

      So you’re ok with unmarked, closed, opaque metal cases with no visible display or buttons, tied shut with wire, plugged into the wall, concealed and suddenly beeping in the middle of English class without any prior notice to the teacher of that class? That wouldn’t raise any alarms with you? Religion has nothing to do with it, only to the apologists that feel its OK to place our schools and children at risk in the name of cultural sensitivity.

      If the kid didn’t want to be treated like a hoaxbomber,he shouldn’t have been acting like one.

      The local Irving Muslim community must be the biggest Islamaphobes of all because their immediate press conference expressed unanimous support for the teachers and police and their handling of this device that was obviously intended to resemble and evoke the response a bomb would.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Great point about the support for the school district from Ahmed’s own mosque.

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      This article discusses facts. You only disagree and name-call. You do not refute or debate. Fact. Ahmed was told by one teacher that his device looked like a bomb. Fact, after that he intentionally displayed it again. Even if he was innocent in the first display, he was not in the next. You cannot refute this. You can willfully ignore these facts, and form an opinion, but you cannot dispute that it is reasonable to suspect Ahmed was not just trying to impress teachers. Do you have any response to these points other than name calling. Otherwise, go to a site where unsupported assertions are thrown around, I don’t care if it’s right left or in between wing. Cmon Asura, calling The writer of this article a moron may be the most ironic thing you do for some time. Bring me some reason.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        in other words, the article raises the possibility that this was a hoax bomb…just the possibility. The rest of the facts as we know them indicate it was way more than a possibility. You might argueu the police reaction, but not the school’s.

      • Jester

        Asura is a Sanskrit term which literally translates to “demon” or “evil spirit”. It was a term used to refer to anyone who either did not believe in the existence of a Supreme Being, or who did but was His sworn enemy.

    • Jester

      2 articles you could read that might change your mind about the intentions both pre and post event. The assertions made in the first piece are sourced from quotes and links found throughout this comment section over the last 2 weeks. The 2nd piece from Frontpage Magazine is meticulously hyperlinked.

      1. The true story of Ahmed and his so called clock

      http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/#comment-2282168023

      2. AHMED MOHAMED’S QATARI VACATION WITH THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD – (Teenage clockmaker invited to Qatar by an organization linked to the terror group.)

      http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260279/ahmed-mohameds-qatari-vacation-muslim-brotherhood-arnold-ahlert#.VgxPo1sZ04U.twitter

      • Ichabod Crain

        Very well done!

      • Asura

        How does this show anything except how hung up all of you are on “Oogabooga scary Muslims!”?

      • DrunkSpock

        Oogabooga scary bomb-like device in our high schools.

        There, I fixed it for you. No one is allowed to hoax-bomb our schools. Even if you call people names and cry about it. Race or religion have nothing to do with it.

        You can’t address any of the points of this article, that’s obvious. Also obvious is your complete lack of concern for the well-being of the children in that school. The Hajj stampede makes it clear that a panicked crowd is a deadly risk, and a hoax-bomb could easily create that panic. The boy’s prank could have killed someone.

      • Jester

        Well, by evoking that brilliant response of yours, it showed us clearly what a truly biased mental defective you are.

    • Jhren

      The comments you’re reading aren’t coming from current readers. If you scroll further down you’ll notice that Jester, DrunkSpock, etc. have been sitting on this page and commenting continuously for at least a week.

      • Asura

        I don’t see how it matters if it’s current readers or not. I originally saw this piece when it had around a thousand comments and my statement applies back then just as it does now.
        All this piece did was drag in the idiotic Muslim conspiracy crowd (and worse), and why it did that is no mystery.

  • http://homeinbabylon.com/ Chuchundra

    If anyone is interested, I created a sub-reddit to keep track of the various news, analysis, interviews and other info surrounding Ahmed and the clock incident.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ahmedsclock/

    Feel free to contribute. Primary sources and mainstream media outlets preferred.

    • TaiFood

      Thanks for the consolidation of links.

  • Jester

    https://twitter.com/IStandWithAhmed/status/649047014341255168

    It appears Ahmed has graduated to Self Help Guru of the anti-American hordes. First spouting trite platitudes and then encouraging people to just “be themselves” and “love who the are” so that you will “fit in”.

    Just like he is being encouraged to do. Do not reflect upon your own mistakes or responsibility for your actions. Forget gratitude and sensitivity towards your host’s culture and laws. As long as there are enough other rascals who have lied, cheated, and manipulated themselves into positions of power to run interference for you, then feel free to “be creative” with how you do whatever you want, without consideration to who you may harm or any other consequences to your actions, because you will no longer be held accountable! Your bros Ahmed, Allah, and Bammy got your backs. You will fit IN, because we are using guile and terror to force everyone who would resist our chaotic agenda OUT.

    • TaiFood

      Our history is littered with frauds who otherwise succeed. Hopefully he takes was he got and otherwise succeeds. He’s got a lot of attention so I’m hoping the lemonade of others can somehow be leveraged of the rotten lemons he gave us.

    • DrunkSpock

      ‘Don’t let anyone tell you if your hoax-bomb is good enough to bring to show and tell. Just make the best hoax-bomb you can and you’ll be fine! I believe in you! Good luck and death to the infidels! oops, I meant Islamaphobes

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    For your listening pleasure, here is Ahmed’s latest interview. http://m.kiss925.com/2015/09/30/listen-clockmaking-whiz-kid-ahmed-mohamed-on-kiss-92-5/

    • Jester

      Oh silly me, I should have known he threw the guts of that alarm clock into a metal case because he didn’t want it to break in his backpack. What a genius!

      • TaiFood

        @Jester Did you catch his contradiction that he notified the teacher prior to him showing the clock on her request? Then his restating that he plugged the clock in and set the alarm to go off to show another student that caused the class disruption, left out the initial teacher saying it looked like a bomb, but I gotta hand it to the disc jockey for asking the questions.

      • Jester

        He did that once before in another interview. I thought he may have been referring to the Science teacher. I am not clear whether the Science teacher was a man or a woman. Wait, are we still allowed to use the terms “man” and “woman”? Don’t want to offend anyone.

      • ProfElwood

        “Man” and “woman” are acceptable (though not encouraged), as long as you don’t restrict yourself to the dictionary.

        “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

      • Ichabod Crain

        “He plugged the clock in and set the alarm to go off to show another student” and “she was an engineer” he said. Did you catch that – at about 2:35. An engineer – in Grade 9? Wow!

      • DrunkSpock

        Maybe she “solders CPUs” too.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Ahmed gives his story up in bits and pieces, and he is not very articulate. Not too surprising for person of his age. But it makes understanding his version very difficult.

      • TaiFood

        @curiouserandcuriouser I came away with the opposite opinion. He seems much too rehearsed especially when the disc jockey loses the audio for a bit, thereby inferring getting advice from whoever was on the other end of the call.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Good point. If his attorneys aren’t next to him, I’d be gobsmacked.

    • TaiFood

      Well for those who doubt the kid misinterpreting invention the disc jockey’s surprised me and asked Ahmed directly about the accusations of not inventing the clock. He flatly denies he took the contents out of a clock and instead re-ups his contention he put spare parts together.

      Thus providing concrete evidence of intentional deception.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I was also pleasantly surprised that the disc jockeys asked him directly about this aspect and he stated withou equivocation that he built the “clock” from parts. Ahmed also stated that he would retrieve the “clock” and take it to the White House. My concern is whether the public will ever see the “clock” in the same form as it exists now.

      • TaiFood

        My hope is that pictures exist and he will thus never be able to show it publicly without being discredited. As this article is the source of skepticism I’m assuming then there are those that are monitoring it.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I believe monitoring is a safe assumption. It would be prudent for any party with a dog in this fight.

      • DrunkSpock

        Even if it was shown exactly like it is now, that wouldn’t be the same as how it was actually implemented. If it was open and there was at least a clock visible, that’s much less menacing.

        I’d love to see him show it off the way he used it, a tied shut, bent up beeping metal case, crudely plugged into the wall, that shocks you when you reach in to turn it off. You know Obama would still say nice things about it.

        ‘It did a really good job of setting the curtains on fire, Ahmed. You’re an inspiration to us all.’

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      Ahmed also asserts that he will sue the school for racial discrimination. I hope he does. That proceeding will lead to exposing everything. And Ahmed may not tamper with the “clock” because that would be spoliation of evidence, which would be detrimental to his case. Ahmed and his family will be subject to relentless questioning by the school district and the police attorneys,

      • TaiFood

        Head’s up…A lot of “what-if’s” considering the cost for litigation to the city and the school district. Lawsuits are rarely taken to trial since it is a cost/benefit analysis that drives the decision in most cases.

        The dream for us would definitely be a public trial and the imagination only smiles as to the nightmare the attorney for Ahmed will face assuming the case is defended by the city and the school. This is a big and very unlikely assumption considering the limited resources that school districts have.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        I think it is safe to assume that No one will settle until after Ahmed and his family are subjected to questioning (depositions) conducted by the parties he sues.

      • Jester

        Freddie Gray’s family got a 6.5 million settlement before any type of proceeding occurred at all. The City of Baltimore simply said it was a good financial decision.

      • ProfElwood

        I don’t think Irving is going to be quite as cooperative. In fact, that seems to be a key factor in this story: a failure to fold under the pressure.

      • Jester

        Here is alternate version. The P.D. had in possession what any reasonable Judge would consider a hoax bomb. They had the option to hold Ahmed for up to 72 hours and request the Father to come in for questioning as well to determine intent. They could have questioned them separately and hunted for contradictions in their versions. If Ahmed or Father lawyered up they could still have asked questions and sought a warrant from a Judge to search the home. They probably should have known they were going to be sued for discrimination after they went so far as to arrest Ahmed, so they could have made the best use of the opportunity. Especially considering Ahmed’s apparently calculated attitude. Instead they folded like a bad hand of poker in about an hour. They could have put a foot down and kept it there but chose not to.

        Now, they may have considered all the above, and decided it was better to let him go predicting that they would get more info from the family’s inevitable, unguarded statements to the media. In that case their strategy may yet pay off.

      • Jester

        this is why as many people as possible need to contact the City of Irving, preferably the Mayor, and let her know they have her back, that there is plenty of recorded evidence available pointing to fraudulent intent, and to be ready to offer any suggestion or advice in that regard.

        That way when Ahmed Mahdi and company move to extort a settlement out of Irving, they politely decline and pay the extra money to go to trial, which they will win, and then countersue the Family for malicious prosecution.

      • DrunkSpock

        That’s a good idea I will try to make a point of doing that today. Maybe we should post the address or a link to their contact page?

        Here it is:

        http://cityofirving.org/161/Mayor-and-City-Council

        and the Mayor’s address: bvanduyne@cityofirving.org

        I might take a shot at a boiler plate letter people can copy and paste from, but if anyone else had any ideas on that too that would be great.

      • DrunkSpock

        I hope the city considers crowd-funding legal expenses if they have to look at a practical decision of taking the case to court vs the costs associated. It’s important this gets set right, for the record. I’m sure there are millions of people that feel the same.

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        Tai-don’t worry too much about the district’s resources, their defense will be funded entirely by an insurance company who will not want to pay a dime until they can determine if Ahmed’s story will convince a jury of 12 Texans.

      • Jester

        The insurance bigwigs may also have a line on the odds offered by the bookmakers in Vegas and calculate their willingness to pony up based on the amount they stand to win in personal side bets.

    • omarkos

      It’s just oh so annoying how many times the DJ says “the teachers thought it was a bomb”. Although we already knew from Ahmed’s own accounts that no one ever actually thought it was a bomb, the school recently issued a press release trying to clear that misconception, up. But nobody cares. It doesn’t fit the narrative that the teachers are a bunch of ignorant hick islamaphobe who can’t even tell the difference between a BOMB and a CLOCK!

  • Jester

    Thomas Talbot, Principal Medical Expert, USC Institute for Creative Technologies, Talbot VR Consulting, previously with the Telemedicine & Advanced Technology Research Center of USC, the US Army Medical Corps, and the Irwin Army Community Hospital, who graduated from Wayne State University School of Medicine. He is an ARAB-American who on 9/18 created this youtube video that has received over 1 million views. 11,000 likes and 3300 dislikes, and generated 6200 comments.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY

    He has since followed up with 2 videos entitled “Ahmed clock fraud, why I made the video”, and Ahmed Mohamed Clock Fraud, what was the Agenda”. All short and worth viewing.

    • DrunkSpock

      <sarcasm>
      Islamaphobic arab-american’s?!? Nothing make sense anymore.
      </sarcasm>

      Seriously though what a great American, patriot, and philosopher.

      Thomas Talbot – THANK YOU! Also the gracious hosts, the article author (‘Anthony’), and the vigilant regulars.

      (And Ahmed and his crappy hoax-bomb, for being the catalyst that brought us all together. That shock/fire-hazard wasn’t totally useless after all!)

      • Jester

        Have another couple shots of firewater Spock, yer on a roll today.

      • DrunkSpock

        Cheers! I actually don’t drink much, drunk vulcans are just the easiest way for me to explain what a Cynic is, in the classical philosophical sense. I find Diogenes of Sinope, one of the first Cynics, to be a source of great inspiration. Later, the Cynics evolved into other schools including the Stoics, and they were like real-life Vulcans.

        If I said Cynics were like emotional Stoics, most people wouldn’t understand that. But if you say ‘drunk vulcan’, it makes a lot more sense.

        I do like chocolate though, which is the most intoxicating substance to a Vulcan, so it’s close enough…

      • Jester

        Ah, the mystery of the moniker unravels. Whatever mellows your edge without dulling it is just what Dr. Spock would order. Dark Chocolate or White? (I know, that was bad)

      • DrunkSpock

        Definitely Nutella. Great in brownies and ‘Dutch Babies’. …so much palm oil though, I hear it’s really bad for you.

    • Ichabod Crain

      Not an invention! Then how ’bout when Ahmed taped a bunch of batteries together and thereby invented a battery pack? Are you gonna tell me that wasn’t an invention either? I mean – who would have ever thought of that? I mean – this kid is a obviously genius!

  • Bill S

    While you were picking on a 14 year old, the world has gotten much scarier. Have you been watching what is happening in Syria? Any of you going to join the military to defend us against a hot war?

    • DrunkSpock

      Too busy chasing the jihadists out of Texas to care about Russia bombing ISIS in Syria. Stay on topic please.

    • Jester

      I will continue to defend against and expose buffoons like you who are attempting to soften up the country at home and support the fifth column trojan horse attacking good Americans from within. But I suggest you go ahead and lead the way and join one of the many gangs of roving Muslim thugs that our Muslim in Chief and his Secretary of Hate Hitlery Klinton has armed to the teeth and set against the Alawites. Enjoy the falafel and watch out for Putin’s revenge.

    • ProfElwood

      We’re picking on the jokers who made this kid into a symbol of oppression.
      How appropriate that it’s all faked.

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      If you think we will go to war because of Russian acts in Syria, you will believe anything, even Ahmed’s story of persecution

      • curiouserandcuriouser

        And don’t worry about poor Young Ahmed, he is in a big group hug with Qatar, CAIR, the Queen of Jordan, the Leader of Turkey, Mark Zuckerberg, Dr. Oz and President Obama. He is not concerned with us. I believe he is praying for us.

      • Jester

        considering the relentless and reckless “poke the bear” regime change policies of our rogue administration have given Putin every excuse to consolidate his power in foreign strongholds and gain a major worldwide propaganda coup, considering the “good cop/bad cop” routine that plays out between the hawkish Democrats and the Rinos who are both beholden to the Military Industrial Complex, and considering the long fuse on the M.E. powderkeg is already lit, I give a 50/50 chance of formal conventional war with Russia in the next 3 years somewhere in the Middle East, likely the Levant.

      • TaiFood

        Certainly something to watch BUT today we have a Commander-in-Chief who will never command respect so the vacuum created by leading from the rear is the reality that will need to be address by our next president.

        What scares me is how far in the tank the main stream media yet somehow about half the country is somehow still informed. The Democratic party focus on the Electoral College needs to be balanced. I have not been able to see how they will be checked so I try as I can in venues such as this.

        I mean pay attention to the topics that seem to demand impromptu reaction from the President: politicize tragedy via gun control, false bigotry claims via his Twitter post on our topic at hand, etc., and alarmist climatology.

        Did you see the video of Israel’s PM and the 45 seconds of silence at the UN? Now that impacted me very powerfully.

      • Jester

        Putin Has His Own No-Fly Zone in Syria

        After years of debating a U.S.-led no-fly zone inside Syria to
        protect rebels and civilians, Vladimir Putin has established his own
        no-fly zone in a matter of days — to protect his new base there.

        http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-02/putin-has-his-own-no-fly-zone-in-syria

    • TaiFood

      @Bill S This discussion is just one of many in our attempt to salvage the well deserved reputation of America the Beautiful.

      It is our attempt at patriotism, in my opinion.

      The fact you still think we are “picking on a 14 year old” suffices to illustrate you inability to comprehend that fraudulent behavior should be exposed. What is REALLY worth noticing is the lack of the main stream media to expose the fraud.

      That is the scary thing which influences so many low information people.

    • TaiFood

      @Bill S Hey I just figured out a new feature on my browser…there are tabs that can open up another window. (snark)

      • witnesstothecarnage

        Are you certain it was unnecessary?

        😉

    • TJ Hooker

      I have already been in the Military and was willing to defend this country, Still am…

      That being said, YOU did not read the article…

    • witnesstothecarnage

      Hey, Bill!

      Ready to prove your previously stated credentials? Or, at least stop trying to derail this subject, and bury it in the same old shit you’ve been spewing?

      You claim to be an Army electronics trainer. Can we, at least, see a bit of what you’re “teaching”? Or, do you steal Valor as well as claim skills you refuse to demonstrate?

      Still ready to go for the “solder off”.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Thought it worth moving to top of the list because it is latest facts on subject of article: Ahmed’s interview of 9/30: http://m.kiss925.com/2015/09/30/listen-clockmaking-whiz-kid-ahmed-mohamed-on-kiss-92-5/

    • Ichabod Crain

      That was very interesting – thanks. At first I though it was going to be a total pass for Muhammad, but to his credit, the interviewer asked him the obvious questions – and Muhammad made the obvious lies in response.

  • Don Wagster

    With all the tragedies at schools these days I think he should be prosecuted for this. I will be so glad when we get rid of P.C. king obama.

  • Jill Pearson

    Hypothetically, what could Ahmed have put together from scrap in 10 or 20 minutes? Let’s say some electronics guru is given a clock display, and then the rest of the the clock minus its display (but including the ribbon that will be attached to the display). Could s/he attach the display to the ribbon in 20 minutes? Will it work correctly even if the display is not from the same clock as the rest of the guts? Same question regarding the button board. The only other thing I can think of that Ahmed may claim he “put together” is attaching the transformer to the rest of the clock. I’m assuming that could be done easily in 20 minutes but certainly not something he would think anyone would be impressed with. But is there any reason why he would do this? There was already a battery backup. Is there an easy way to rig the battery backup to power the rest of the clock, even if he had to unattatch it from where it was? Perhaps a 9v battery wouldn’t be powerful enough though. But what about just attaching a battery pack with enough juice to power it? That seems it would be at least as easy if not easier (not to mention safer) than attaching a transformer. Then he also wouldn’t have a power cord to plug in. Also, even in my house without any electronics tinkerers, we have dozens of old enclosed ac transformers we don’t even know what they go to anymore. Couldn’t he have used one of those too?

    • DrunkSpock

      Battery backup only maintains the time and plays a low-volume alarm. Yes he could have used an external AC/DC converter, it would have been a lot safer for him to do so. Congratulations, you have more electronics savvy than ‘Ahmed the Genius’. All of the parts in his clock appear to be verbatim, un-altered contents of the clock mentioned in this article. All he did was put it in a case to make it more concealable.

      Then when he used it the next day, after carefully plugging it in and setting the alarm time, he tied the case shut with wire, despite not being able to see the clock display or use any of its buttons. Then, still plugged in, he hid this device in his possessions and waited for it to go off in the middle of English class. That’s when it stopped being ‘a clock’ and became ‘a hoaxbomb’.

      • Jill Pearson

        From what I understand, small electronics devices like this digital clock almost always use DC current. I looked at the manual for this clock and it doesn’t say. Does anyone know for sure? If it does run on DC, then this particular transformer not only steps down the power, but also converts it from AC to DC? Its that right? Here’s a cute video of a girl converting a device that originally plugged into the wall to run on batteries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U8s4OalmIs So simple and safe. Obviously the legos are not necessary. Ahmed could have just connected the batteries in series and they would have even fit inside the box.

      • Carlos Garza

        some where on the circuit board there would most likely be a bridge rectifier done with 4 diodes. I don’t remember the math but you would then take the swing out of the voltage by adding a capacitor to the board. Unless technology had changed since I was a child. But yea this kid gutted a clock and suck it in a case. If this were done on a bread board I would have been impressed as the kid is further alomg then I was at that age but considering that a lot of us used to tear apart old VHS systems clocks radios and put them back together to the point that the where still functioning I find it inflated for him to talk about his inventions. This kid is 14 and in highschool. Alot of us where doing this in elementary school.

      • DrunkSpock

        Hello. Just curious, why do you think he soldered on a power transformer? It looks like the original to me. Maybe I missed an indicator? None of that soldering work looks recent to me. I believe your analysis is otherwise pretty much spot on but I think it might be overly generous to attribute any of the soldering to Ahmed. Even if he did its still not fair for him to say ‘I invented that’, but I don’t think he did even that much.

        Have you seen the pictures of him holding a soldering iron up to another gutted appliance? He holds it like a knife, with his hand on the heating element, stabbing at the board. He’s holding the board he’s ‘soldering’ at an angle so the hot solder would be prone to run right off the board and into his hand ‘downhill’. It’s obviously a staged photo but what it indicates to me is the boy does not know how to use (or even safely hold onto) a soldering iron.

      • Jill Pearson

        Personally, I don’t think he soldered anything. It’s probably one of the reasons the family hasn’t been so quick to pick up the thing from the police station. People will want to examine it. But I don’t think the one photo we have of his device is high resolution enough to tell for sure. I’m trying to find out what anyone COULD have done in 10 or 20 minutes. Could he have attached the LED display to the ribbon in 20 minutes? And if so, would it work if it was meant for a different device? Could he have attached the transformer in 20 minutes? If so, would a real electronics hobbiest have found it just as easy, quick and simple and a lot safer to use batteries or wall wart? And if so, what I would really like is for someone who knows how to do these things to post a quick video showing how to remove the transformer from such a clock and make it run on batteries or a wall wart.

      • DrunkSpock

        Ahmed is making it up as he goes. If he had any sense he would have used a microcontroller, like an Arduino, and a few LEDs, and a breadboard. And batteries, like you suggest. Or USB based powersupply. All of which would have cost less than the pencil case he bought expressly for this ‘project’.

        It would have been much safer, more educational and contemporary (that 80s clock was made like something from the 80s), and this page and the anti-Ahmed community wouldn’t exist. We’d all take one look at breadboard + microcontroller + low voltage and say ‘oh I remember doing that when I was a kid’. I would be the kids staunchest defender.

        Instead we have what appears to me to be a deliberate hoaxbombing (aka, terrorism), pawned off as ‘misunderstood electronics enthusiast’. Actual electronics enthusiasts don’t care for being associated with a kid intentionally terrorizing his high school, neither do peaceful Muslims (who, to their credit, immediately held a press conference denouncing the kids obvious hoaxbomb, in support of the Irving police/school board).

      • TaiFood

        CAUTION: Do NOT plug in an extension of the house electricity to wires meant for lower power DC (or even step down AC) voltage (what comes out of the plug-in as a big POP and potential fire and lethal shock hazard exists. It is not too far from putting a fork into the wall outlet)

        The video you posted shows the OUTPUT of an AC to DC transformer (the plug-in) which converts house electricity to whatever the output voltage (usually DC or battery compatible voltage). This oversimplification could turn HAZARDOUS very easily.

        The use of a light bulb gives the kid a lot of leeway since the DC voltage could light up most bulbs BUT that does NOT mean the wires are interchangeable for other transformers.)

        The small print text on the plug-in transformer is very important.

        CAUTION: Do NOT plug in an extension of the house electricity to wires meant for lower power DC (or even step down AC) voltage (what comes out of the plug-in as a big POP and potential fire and lethal shock hazard exists. It is not too far from putting a fork into the wall outlet)

    • curiouserandcuriouser

      Perhaps someday someone will ask Ahmed to elaborate on what he means when he says that he built his clock from parts. Pretty simple question to ask him, yet no one ever does. He mumbles incoherently when asked about his other projects. I think we can all agree that he could not assemble a working device from separate parts in 20 minutes. Unfortunately I do not think this will ever happen. I am sure that his handlers vet any questions that he is asked at this point. There is too much to lose for too many. In two weeks, he will be at the White House. Will the President greet him and view his clock?. Not a chance. I also have to believe the Irving police dept have forensically examined every inch of that device which would be prudent in light of Ahmed’s threat to sue the dept.

    • witnesstothecarnage

      Yes, he could have… in fact, that would have made it much less of a shock hazard.

      Hang on to those “wall wart” transformers, at least for the next tinkerer you meet. You never know when they’ll come in handy.

  • Tina

    It’s so frustrating that the media no longer tells the truth. People do not realize they are being brainwashed because they still think the media must have integrity. Honesty is not valued, only their agenda. So sad.

  • Dave

    Something I haven’t seen mentioned… The circuit board has a green coating, that’s a solder mask typically used in mass produced pre-assembled circuit boards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder_mask
    Another thing… I took two years of electronics in High School in the 1970’s, we built A/C and D/C circuits. If I had tried to pass this thing off as being built/invented/assembled by me, I would have been laughed out of the class with a failing grade.

  • ProfElwood

    Does anyone edit Wikipedia? They have an article, but the reaction area doesn’t include anything about the commercial origin of the clock.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Ahmed’s global tour is ludicrous.

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Ahmed: in middle school, they called me bomb maker.
    Ahmed: in order to make it look less suspicious and less of a threat, I used a cable to latch the case.
    Ahmed: the first teacher I showed it to said it looked like a bomb and told me not to show it again to anyone.
    Ahmed: after that, during class, I plugged it in and set off the alarm.

    Mr. President, do we really need more kids like Ahmed?

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Ahmed: in middle school, they called me bomb maker.
    Ahmed: in order to make it look less suspicious and less of a threat, I used a cable to latch the case.
    Ahmed: the first teacher I showed it to said it looked like a bomb and told me not to show it again to anyone.
    Ahmed: after that, during class, I plugged it in and set off the alarm.

    Mr. President, do we really need more kids like Ahmed?

  • ProfElwood

    I missed this one, but Dallas Morning News (who originally broke the story) threw some FUD on the matter here:

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/northwest-dallas-county/headlines/20150922-craze-over-teen-clockmaker-from-irving-shifts-from-celebrity-to-conspiracy.ece

    “Most of these theories cite no evidence, many contradict each other and some clash with known facts — like a statement from Irving City Hall that the MacArthur High freshman never intended to frighten anyone with his circuit-stuffed pencil case.”

    Conflict with each other? When several witnesses have different versions of the same event, then conflict in their stories can cast doubt on their witness. Analysis based on the save evidence, however, isn’t affected by other people’s offerings.
    ————————–
    “Fraudulent clock theory

    The same Facebook post claimed that Ahmed didn’t really make a clock, but merely reassembled the components of a store-bought clock inside a case. Other posts and YouTube videos have advanced this theory.

    Ahmed’s clock is still in police custody, according to the family. But last week the boy told The News that he spent just 20 minutes soldering a digital display to a circuit board and power supply, which he put inside a pencil case. His description matched a photo of the clock that police later released.”

    Except, of course, there’s no indication that he soldered anything. The photo still doesn’t back up his story.

    • Ichabod Crain

      The digital display is obviously connected to the circuit board by a ribbon cable. It is also obviously the manufacturer’s original part, since in is non-standard size. The manufacturer would have soldered sockets onto either the circuit board or the digital display, or both.. If you had to solder even just one end of the ribbon cable, it could be a bit tricky and take the whole 20 minutes allotted for the entire job for a professional, since the individual solder joints would be pretty closely spaced. However you look at it, Ahmed’s nose just keeps on growing longer.

      • ProfElwood

        Well, you are talking about a kid that can solder CPUs. I’m sure a ribbon cable would be a cake walk against skilz like that.

    • Jester

      The Dallas Morning news is a globalist propaganda rag. They deleted links to my little summary of Ahmed and his so-called clock from the comment section to one of their “We Love Ahmed” puff pieces.

      And by the way, another blatant lie from Mohamed El Hassan Mohamed.

      The teen has never been in trouble, the father said, saying he thinks this is a case of Islamophobia.”

      http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/16/us/texas-student-ahmed-muslim-clock-bomb/

  • curiouserandcuriouser

    Dallas Morning News is all in with Ahmed’s story.

    • Ichabod Crain

      “Mohamed [the father] was once in the national news for trying to convince a pastor who burned a Quran that true Islam is peaceful.”

      How do you convince anyone that “true Islam is peaceful”? The Quran is nothing but a warrior’s code, written by a warlord and his gang of cutthroats who raided and plundered caravans, and who within his lifetime conquered all of Arabian Peninsula.

      Within a decade Muslims conquered Mesopotamia, Byzantine Syria, Byzantine Egypt, large parts of Persia, and established the Rashidun Caliphate. On it went from there all through history – a story of rape and pillage and plunder that continues to this very day on various parts of our planet.

      Sure, Islam is peaceful – for its perpetrators, once they have killed off or enslaved the dissenters, but it would be disingenuous to make such a statement as “true Islam is peaceful”.

      • Jester
      • Ichabod Crain

        I have read the evidence that there is no independent historical collaboration that Muhammad ever existed, and have watched a good documentary on the subject. It really makes you think. However, the story of Muhammad and his band of merry men has had as powerful an influence as it would have had if it was real, unfortunately for the victims of Islam.

  • http://artvoice.com/ Artvoice Webmaster

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