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	<title>Comments on: John LaFalce on Casino Gambling</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pomeroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/06/27/john-lafalce-on-casino-gambling/#comment-1995</link>
		<dc:creator>Pomeroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks WNYMind; I enjoy your writings!
But I'm talking about Clinton/Bush and casinos.
I have Godchildren that are Cayuga (RC not Longboat; which I hope for!).

In 1842 "did the treaty state "the Seneca Nation could and should open casinos in the middle of Buffalo?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks WNYMind; I enjoy your writings!<br />
But I&#8217;m talking about Clinton/Bush and casinos.<br />
I have Godchildren that are Cayuga (RC not Longboat; which I hope for!).</p>
<p>In 1842 &#8220;did the treaty state &#8220;the Seneca Nation could and should open casinos in the middle of Buffalo?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: WNYMind</title>
		<link>http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/06/27/john-lafalce-on-casino-gambling/#comment-1980</link>
		<dc:creator>WNYMind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1842 2/3 of the Senate concurred with President Tyler and signed the treaty with the Seneca. All decision on land since then have been subject to that treaty. Look it up. Everything the Seneca have done is legal and under the treat they have had with the US government for over 160 years. If you want to invalidate that trearty then WNY will revert back to the Seneca and they can build as many casinos as they want, wherever they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1842 2/3 of the Senate concurred with President Tyler and signed the treaty with the Seneca. All decision on land since then have been subject to that treaty. Look it up. Everything the Seneca have done is legal and under the treat they have had with the US government for over 160 years. If you want to invalidate that trearty then WNY will revert back to the Seneca and they can build as many casinos as they want, wherever they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Pomeroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/06/27/john-lafalce-on-casino-gambling/#comment-1909</link>
		<dc:creator>Pomeroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do the Seneca's have a treaty?

Article II, section 2, of the Constitution states that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur."

Did two-thirds of the Senate concur with the President?
The authority can not be delegated.
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm

What will the ruling be next Tuesday, July 8, 2008?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the Seneca&#8217;s have a treaty?</p>
<p>Article II, section 2, of the Constitution states that the president &#8220;shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did two-thirds of the Senate concur with the President?<br />
The authority can not be delegated.<br />
<a href="http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm</a></p>
<p>What will the ruling be next Tuesday, July 8, 2008?</p>
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		<title>By: WNYMind</title>
		<link>http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/06/27/john-lafalce-on-casino-gambling/#comment-1898</link>
		<dc:creator>WNYMind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea, lets get more casinos in Buffalo, and make them all minority owned businesses. I am all for it. 

As far as the Iraq issue goes, there are a few things people cannot do in the new "free" Iraq. Drink, gamble, and have fun. If casinos are your idea of recreation, then I say you should have the opportunitiy to go. If you don't like casinos, then so be it. Nobody is forcing people to go to the casino. 

It is part of living in a free country. Free drinks included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea, lets get more casinos in Buffalo, and make them all minority owned businesses. I am all for it. </p>
<p>As far as the Iraq issue goes, there are a few things people cannot do in the new &#8220;free&#8221; Iraq. Drink, gamble, and have fun. If casinos are your idea of recreation, then I say you should have the opportunitiy to go. If you don&#8217;t like casinos, then so be it. Nobody is forcing people to go to the casino. </p>
<p>It is part of living in a free country. Free drinks included.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie moses</title>
		<link>http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/06/27/john-lafalce-on-casino-gambling/#comment-1890</link>
		<dc:creator>jamie moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WNYMind,
I agree with everything you've said about the war in Iraq, the borrowing, the price of oil, the closing of the steel plants, and so on. So tell me, how does putting Americans in front of a row of slot machines and plying them with free booze help anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WNYMind,<br />
I agree with everything you&#8217;ve said about the war in Iraq, the borrowing, the price of oil, the closing of the steel plants, and so on. So tell me, how does putting Americans in front of a row of slot machines and plying them with free booze help anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Pomeroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/06/27/john-lafalce-on-casino-gambling/#comment-1882</link>
		<dc:creator>Pomeroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole idea of Seneca Casinos is phony.

The "Native" Americans came here from the Northwest (Asia).
How about a Puerto Rican Casino?
So what if they came from the Southeast.
And when do the Afro-Europeans get a Casino?

All Americans are equal; but some Americans are more equal than others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole idea of Seneca Casinos is phony.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Native&#8221; Americans came here from the Northwest (Asia).<br />
How about a Puerto Rican Casino?<br />
So what if they came from the Southeast.<br />
And when do the Afro-Europeans get a Casino?</p>
<p>All Americans are equal; but some Americans are more equal than others?</p>
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		<title>By: WNYMind</title>
		<link>http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/06/27/john-lafalce-on-casino-gambling/#comment-1867</link>
		<dc:creator>WNYMind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much fear in the place of logic. As you know, the $8 million is a share to the city in recognition of the fact that Seneca land is not subject to taxes by US cities. Of course, all employees of the casino will pay state income tax and local sales and property taxes with their wages (off casino site that is). I can guarantee you that 35 taverns (34 of which would go under anyway) don't inject any meaningful revenue into a city, and not enough to cover the police costs, etc....

As for the country going down to tubes due to gambling, what a joke. The country's economic problems are more the result of the War in Iraq than anything else. We borrow for the war from China, and have racked up a debt so large it will take generations to repay it. Our gas prices have gone up in large part due to the devaluation of our dollar driven by our national debt. China and other financers of the war use the profits from loaning us money to develop and add to the demand for oil. Etc... etc..., no Seneca casinos in that loop. The Seneca didn't close steel and auto plants either. 

Maybe you should focus your energy on the REAL causes of industrial and economic decline and leave the Seneca alone. All they want to do is create jobs and run a business. Remember, the big opposition wasn't to the casino, but to the hotel development. Why? To protect the monopoly for a few downtown interests. 

So focus on China. It seems that they are profiteering from the war in Iraq and running our economy down in the process. Maybe they should forgive our debt (kind of like the world bank did for South American countries 30 years ago).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much fear in the place of logic. As you know, the $8 million is a share to the city in recognition of the fact that Seneca land is not subject to taxes by US cities. Of course, all employees of the casino will pay state income tax and local sales and property taxes with their wages (off casino site that is). I can guarantee you that 35 taverns (34 of which would go under anyway) don&#8217;t inject any meaningful revenue into a city, and not enough to cover the police costs, etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>As for the country going down to tubes due to gambling, what a joke. The country&#8217;s economic problems are more the result of the War in Iraq than anything else. We borrow for the war from China, and have racked up a debt so large it will take generations to repay it. Our gas prices have gone up in large part due to the devaluation of our dollar driven by our national debt. China and other financers of the war use the profits from loaning us money to develop and add to the demand for oil. Etc&#8230; etc&#8230;, no Seneca casinos in that loop. The Seneca didn&#8217;t close steel and auto plants either. </p>
<p>Maybe you should focus your energy on the REAL causes of industrial and economic decline and leave the Seneca alone. All they want to do is create jobs and run a business. Remember, the big opposition wasn&#8217;t to the casino, but to the hotel development. Why? To protect the monopoly for a few downtown interests. </p>
<p>So focus on China. It seems that they are profiteering from the war in Iraq and running our economy down in the process. Maybe they should forgive our debt (kind of like the world bank did for South American countries 30 years ago).</p>
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		<title>By: jamie moses</title>
		<link>http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/06/27/john-lafalce-on-casino-gambling/#comment-1860</link>
		<dc:creator>jamie moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayday, You certainly seem to have watched an awful lot of Cheers episodes. I couldn't have named any of those people. Which makes me think you must have really enjoyed the small bar "every-body-knows-you" atmosphere they were broadcasting. Nevertheless, your descriptions of the characters are obviously twisted to suit your argument, because the show was a comedy, and a very successful one. So clearly there was more to the characters than you negative interpretations. 

As for WNYMind's claim that the city gains $8 million, or that ECC will hire educators for the hotel industry, or that there is spill over business, or that 35 taverns in Niagara Falls closed because of the smoking ban and drug dealing. Let me say this: wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. The supposed $8 million dollar gain to the city (and the figure is far less than that) would come at a cost of more than $200 million in gambling losses from Buffalo citizens. You're right, universities don't pay property tax, NEITHER do the Senecas! There is NO spillover business from casinos other than the vendors who supply them with liquor and food and such. Every meal and drink served in a tax free Seneca casino is a meal or drink not served in a local Buffalo restaurant. The 35 small taverns that went out of business 3 months after Seneca Casino opened went out of business directly because of the casino, not the smoking ban. The casino opened in December of 2002, the smoking ban wasn't in effect until mid-2003. It is very difficult to compete with FREE drinks. As for DWIs, when you drink at the corner bar, you only have to walk, not drive. 
You can go on and on as much as you like, and for whatever reason you will continue to convince yourself there is something good about a casino. This country is rotting from within, and these casinos are only adding to the collapse of the country, the state, and now possibly our little city. America was never in so much danger as it is today. And the biggest threat is our willingness to do damage to ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayday, You certainly seem to have watched an awful lot of Cheers episodes. I couldn&#8217;t have named any of those people. Which makes me think you must have really enjoyed the small bar &#8220;every-body-knows-you&#8221; atmosphere they were broadcasting. Nevertheless, your descriptions of the characters are obviously twisted to suit your argument, because the show was a comedy, and a very successful one. So clearly there was more to the characters than you negative interpretations. </p>
<p>As for WNYMind&#8217;s claim that the city gains $8 million, or that ECC will hire educators for the hotel industry, or that there is spill over business, or that 35 taverns in Niagara Falls closed because of the smoking ban and drug dealing. Let me say this: wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. The supposed $8 million dollar gain to the city (and the figure is far less than that) would come at a cost of more than $200 million in gambling losses from Buffalo citizens. You&#8217;re right, universities don&#8217;t pay property tax, NEITHER do the Senecas! There is NO spillover business from casinos other than the vendors who supply them with liquor and food and such. Every meal and drink served in a tax free Seneca casino is a meal or drink not served in a local Buffalo restaurant. The 35 small taverns that went out of business 3 months after Seneca Casino opened went out of business directly because of the casino, not the smoking ban. The casino opened in December of 2002, the smoking ban wasn&#8217;t in effect until mid-2003. It is very difficult to compete with FREE drinks. As for DWIs, when you drink at the corner bar, you only have to walk, not drive.<br />
You can go on and on as much as you like, and for whatever reason you will continue to convince yourself there is something good about a casino. This country is rotting from within, and these casinos are only adding to the collapse of the country, the state, and now possibly our little city. America was never in so much danger as it is today. And the biggest threat is our willingness to do damage to ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: MaydayMalone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/06/27/john-lafalce-on-casino-gambling/#comment-1829</link>
		<dc:creator>MaydayMalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corner bars in Buffalo are like Cheers? Wow, this is very insightful. You know Cheers was a TV show and not real life. If you remember the show, it was about a bar in the basement of Melville's restaurant. So, right there it was not a corner tavern, but a classy bar attached to a downtown restaurant. The typical corner bar is hardly a neighborhood asset, but a dive full of vice and neighborhood disruption.

That said, the TV Cheers was a hangout for alcoholics who neglected their families, careers, and communities. Let's go through the characters:

Sam the alcoholic bartender who drinks club soda, but can't get out of his bar. He uses his bar as a hookup zone to sleep around with any drunk woman in the bar.

Carla the baby machine and anti-intellectual

Coach and later Woody, both are borderline imbeciles, but capable of slinging drinks and outsmarting drunks on occasion

Norm the alcoholic slob who neglects his wife and job (when he has one) in order to drink beer he never pays for.

Cliff the mailman and social misfit, also a 50 yr old virgin. 

Fraiser the alcoholic psychologist who also allows his drinking to ruin his marraige and career.

Rebecca, the nymphomaniac (alcohol induced usually)

Diane, the unstable psydo-intellectual who is mocked by the drunks for being educated and working to leave the bar life for something else. 

Let's not fantasize about alcoholism and marginal businesses that facilitate these dives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corner bars in Buffalo are like Cheers? Wow, this is very insightful. You know Cheers was a TV show and not real life. If you remember the show, it was about a bar in the basement of Melville&#8217;s restaurant. So, right there it was not a corner tavern, but a classy bar attached to a downtown restaurant. The typical corner bar is hardly a neighborhood asset, but a dive full of vice and neighborhood disruption.</p>
<p>That said, the TV Cheers was a hangout for alcoholics who neglected their families, careers, and communities. Let&#8217;s go through the characters:</p>
<p>Sam the alcoholic bartender who drinks club soda, but can&#8217;t get out of his bar. He uses his bar as a hookup zone to sleep around with any drunk woman in the bar.</p>
<p>Carla the baby machine and anti-intellectual</p>
<p>Coach and later Woody, both are borderline imbeciles, but capable of slinging drinks and outsmarting drunks on occasion</p>
<p>Norm the alcoholic slob who neglects his wife and job (when he has one) in order to drink beer he never pays for.</p>
<p>Cliff the mailman and social misfit, also a 50 yr old virgin. </p>
<p>Fraiser the alcoholic psychologist who also allows his drinking to ruin his marraige and career.</p>
<p>Rebecca, the nymphomaniac (alcohol induced usually)</p>
<p>Diane, the unstable psydo-intellectual who is mocked by the drunks for being educated and working to leave the bar life for something else. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not fantasize about alcoholism and marginal businesses that facilitate these dives.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Bumble</title>
		<link>http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2008/06/27/john-lafalce-on-casino-gambling/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Bumble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The little taverns add to the neighborhoods.
You didn't drive the two sides of a city block to get to your "local".
There weren't DWI's.
Like on "Cheers" everybody knows your name.
You weren't a stranger plied with free drinks to entice you to go into debt:
first your charge cards, then your car, followed by your home and finally your family!
The honesty of casino spokespeople can be heard everytime they state; "It's not Gambling; it's Gaming!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The little taverns add to the neighborhoods.<br />
You didn&#8217;t drive the two sides of a city block to get to your &#8220;local&#8221;.<br />
There weren&#8217;t DWI&#8217;s.<br />
Like on &#8220;Cheers&#8221; everybody knows your name.<br />
You weren&#8217;t a stranger plied with free drinks to entice you to go into debt:<br />
first your charge cards, then your car, followed by your home and finally your family!<br />
The honesty of casino spokespeople can be heard everytime they state; &#8220;It&#8217;s not Gambling; it&#8217;s Gaming!&#8221;</p>
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